La Serbia ha visto enormi proteste da 160 giorni, ma non sono stati raggiunti risultati tangibili. Le proteste sono persino efficaci nel causare cambiamenti di regime?
La Serbia ha visto enormi proteste da 160 giorni, ma non sono stati raggiunti risultati tangibili. Le proteste sono persino efficaci nel causare cambiamenti di regime?
A counter question. If protests are useless, why are the regimes so frantically trying to prevent them and using gangsters and violence against them instead of just letting them having a go at it?
b17b20 on
Ask Iron Curtain
Minute_Attempt3063 on
What If everyone just stopped working, and just raided stores for food?
What are they going to do, lock everyone up, let them live for free?
morbihann on
Those greedy fucks don’t want to let go of the bone.
halee1 on
Many dictatorships lasted decades worth of protests before they fell, so that alone is no reason to give up. However, dictatorships have also been exchanging best (read worst) practices on how to weather popular discontent, and one of the ways they do it is by waiting until people get tired. This is something that protesters always have to keep in mind.
We actually really need the CIA ofold to collapse such regimes illegally clinging to life much faster. Unfortunately, the CIA is an American government institution that’s currently under the power of a maniac who doesn’t care about democracy, while the EU is too friendly to make such an undertaking. Ultimately, it’s not fair that whenever democratization comes closer, such regimes simply weather through protests and/or downright repress all opposition, whereas established democracies sit while internal forces (often using external help) turn people towards autocratic beliefs. We have to be a lot more muscular and vigorous in defending freedoms around the world.
_Pixelmancer on
OP post is misleading. Serbia isnt under protests, its under student blockades. Not violent – but having an effect on the day to day. Example: Students blockaded the regimes TV media which was unable to produce propaganda for days – result was that they accepted the student demand to re-elect members of the media governing body – REM.
Faculties are under blockades as well – effectively putting a stop to the entire college system. Many more institutions are showing disobedience.
Protests are there to just show numbers and keep the energy up.
NotYetFlesh on
We’ve seen plenty of protests turn into revolutions in recent years. I think the issue here might be that while a certain portion of Serbian society is protesting another equal if not a larger portion is made up of committed regime supporters.
chrstianelson on
Demonstrations and civil disobedience in Iran started in October 1977, the government was toppled in February 1979.
Sometimes these things take a long time and require an escalation in violence before any meaningful change happens. This is doubly true for countries with an existing de facto authoritarian regime in place.
Drakuf on
Make it effective please or we are fked – a hungarian
zxc1221 on
Protests are effective, provided they are violent and that violence is directed at the people at the top. Peaceful protests have almost no effect.
ghost_desu on
No one has died yet on either side as the results of the protests, so no, not really
Ready_Engineering116 on
Friendly reminder that EU supports vucic
baddzie on
No tangible results?
Government fell and the new one looks like it wont make it past June
People have been released from fear, started standing up to corrupt sheriffs and criminals
160 days of continuous energy, largest gathering in country’s history.
Reconciliation with various minorities which are actively particpating and supporting students
President losing a lot of power and status he’s had, he cant even go public out of fear of beeing hit by an egg
One big point is that people have lost all respect for Russia and EU, people who used to be EU leaning are no longer and same goes for far right which is mostly criticizing Putin now.
These effects are gonna be much more long lasting and will bring more effect to the country than if the President resigned immediately
FriuKi on
Yes they are… Otherwise why would Erdogan and Putin make them illegal or create lots of impediments for such events?!
Hanfis42 on
peaceful protests only work when politicians are in charge that actually care about their people…. or they have to care about being reelected i don’t think this is the case in serbia rn
RedLemonSlice on
General strike. The nuclear option.
BobbyKonker on
That title smells like gaslighting.
ubebaguettenavesni on
Filipino dictator Marcos fled after non-violent protests.
For as long as humans have existed there has been only one cost for freedom.
I hate to say it but cardboard signs, fireworks/flares and marching/chanting is not the cost of freedom.
enterado12345 on
Better the elections
Astuar_Estuar on
Protesters need to escalate if they want to see changes. Start occupying governmental buildings. Or at least permanently surrounding them. Tents and long term structures near the protest areas with volunteers sharing food and places to sleep. Just sharing what was done during Maidan in Ukraine 2013-2104. Government decided to ignore the protests, so it is either escalation, or people will tire out. That is an actual tactic for this kind of regimes. Or you pray and wait until next election and hope it won’t be rigged to much.
icanswimforever on
The French Revolution took 10 years and 6 months.
Societal change can take time, particularly under tyranny.
ContentWhile on
sadly they may have to copy the ukranians to get results
skviki on
Well – it’s hard to achieve anything if the government is popular. And this one – as bad as it is – is popular. The massive size of protests may not give the correct picture, it’s bigger urban crowds, also protests getting trendy and instagrammable – but same people posing may not be active voters. The periphery is overwhelmingly pro-Vučić. I bet if they held proper, free, controlled by outside observers election Vučić would win. I may be wrong here, my experience from which I draw this conclusion is limited, but I would bet 50€ on it. 🙂
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Yes. Look at history.
“peaceful” protests are mostly useless in a dictatorship, violent protests work great.
Like Maidan or like “let’s sing against dictator?”
No but revolutions are
160 days is a long time. However, many big changes needed even more. Stay strong Serbia!
Keeping this many protesters this unhappy for this long is just asking for a revolution.
Govt knows they can’t be that violent with clashing down and are betting it will blow over eventually
Ask South Korea
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mn698X3DLc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Mn698X3DLc)
A counter question. If protests are useless, why are the regimes so frantically trying to prevent them and using gangsters and violence against them instead of just letting them having a go at it?
Ask Iron Curtain
What If everyone just stopped working, and just raided stores for food?
What are they going to do, lock everyone up, let them live for free?
Those greedy fucks don’t want to let go of the bone.
Many dictatorships lasted decades worth of protests before they fell, so that alone is no reason to give up. However, dictatorships have also been exchanging best (read worst) practices on how to weather popular discontent, and one of the ways they do it is by waiting until people get tired. This is something that protesters always have to keep in mind.
We actually really need the CIA ofold to collapse such regimes illegally clinging to life much faster. Unfortunately, the CIA is an American government institution that’s currently under the power of a maniac who doesn’t care about democracy, while the EU is too friendly to make such an undertaking. Ultimately, it’s not fair that whenever democratization comes closer, such regimes simply weather through protests and/or downright repress all opposition, whereas established democracies sit while internal forces (often using external help) turn people towards autocratic beliefs. We have to be a lot more muscular and vigorous in defending freedoms around the world.
OP post is misleading. Serbia isnt under protests, its under student blockades. Not violent – but having an effect on the day to day. Example: Students blockaded the regimes TV media which was unable to produce propaganda for days – result was that they accepted the student demand to re-elect members of the media governing body – REM.
Faculties are under blockades as well – effectively putting a stop to the entire college system. Many more institutions are showing disobedience.
Protests are there to just show numbers and keep the energy up.
We’ve seen plenty of protests turn into revolutions in recent years. I think the issue here might be that while a certain portion of Serbian society is protesting another equal if not a larger portion is made up of committed regime supporters.
Demonstrations and civil disobedience in Iran started in October 1977, the government was toppled in February 1979.
Sometimes these things take a long time and require an escalation in violence before any meaningful change happens. This is doubly true for countries with an existing de facto authoritarian regime in place.
Make it effective please or we are fked – a hungarian
Protests are effective, provided they are violent and that violence is directed at the people at the top. Peaceful protests have almost no effect.
No one has died yet on either side as the results of the protests, so no, not really
Friendly reminder that EU supports vucic
No tangible results?
Government fell and the new one looks like it wont make it past June
People have been released from fear, started standing up to corrupt sheriffs and criminals
160 days of continuous energy, largest gathering in country’s history.
Reconciliation with various minorities which are actively particpating and supporting students
President losing a lot of power and status he’s had, he cant even go public out of fear of beeing hit by an egg
One big point is that people have lost all respect for Russia and EU, people who used to be EU leaning are no longer and same goes for far right which is mostly criticizing Putin now.
These effects are gonna be much more long lasting and will bring more effect to the country than if the President resigned immediately
Yes they are… Otherwise why would Erdogan and Putin make them illegal or create lots of impediments for such events?!
peaceful protests only work when politicians are in charge that actually care about their people…. or they have to care about being reelected i don’t think this is the case in serbia rn
General strike. The nuclear option.
That title smells like gaslighting.
Filipino dictator Marcos fled after non-violent protests.
Edit: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_Power_Revolution
For as long as humans have existed there has been only one cost for freedom.
I hate to say it but cardboard signs, fireworks/flares and marching/chanting is not the cost of freedom.
Better the elections
Protesters need to escalate if they want to see changes. Start occupying governmental buildings. Or at least permanently surrounding them. Tents and long term structures near the protest areas with volunteers sharing food and places to sleep. Just sharing what was done during Maidan in Ukraine 2013-2104. Government decided to ignore the protests, so it is either escalation, or people will tire out. That is an actual tactic for this kind of regimes. Or you pray and wait until next election and hope it won’t be rigged to much.
The French Revolution took 10 years and 6 months.
Societal change can take time, particularly under tyranny.
sadly they may have to copy the ukranians to get results
Well – it’s hard to achieve anything if the government is popular. And this one – as bad as it is – is popular. The massive size of protests may not give the correct picture, it’s bigger urban crowds, also protests getting trendy and instagrammable – but same people posing may not be active voters. The periphery is overwhelmingly pro-Vučić. I bet if they held proper, free, controlled by outside observers election Vučić would win. I may be wrong here, my experience from which I draw this conclusion is limited, but I would bet 50€ on it. 🙂