Niamh O’Reilly: stiamo diventando più amiche di cani che per bambini?
https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/child-free-cafes-6692573-May2025/
di WickerMan111
Niamh O’Reilly: stiamo diventando più amiche di cani che per bambini?
https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/child-free-cafes-6692573-May2025/
di WickerMan111
32 commenti
People like dogs a lot more than they like children.
Dogs are often better behaved.
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What a painful read that was
Dogs are better than children.
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People look for targets to take their unhappiness out on – sadly for society children are now one of those targets, as are cyclists, parents, boomers etc.
Adults that harbour ill will towards children should really give their head a wobble.
Author (poorly) attempts to correlate low birth rate with dogs in cafés because reasons.
No wonder the journal comments are switched off, this is brain worms stuff.
I don’t think we’re particularly friendly to either. There’s really not a lot of public space set aside for dogs like there is in some other countries.
The people being snide about children though are hilarious to me, peak short-sighted consumer midwit.
I need there to be a next generation to pay taxes and look after me in my old age so I can sip whiskey and finally get into my steam backlog. Crusader kings calls. Maybe I’ll finally get into the total war series…
“Niamh O’Reilly is a freelance writer and wrangler of two small boys, who is winging her way through motherhood, her forties and her eyeliner.”
She’s also a major dose.
The author laments the lack of empathy for parents of kids as they get shut out of spaces; something clearly on show here too. There is deep irony that every one of us was also a child at some point, capable of throwing strops and diminishing the enjoyment of others. It used to be the pub with a few bottles of Cadet orange or TK Red and a handful of penny jellies inside us, not a coffee shop.
I’m no sociologist but a big difference now vs then is that there are many more voluntarily child free people and people not having kids until much later in life, so people aren’t around small kids as often as before. We also live in an era where we polarise anything remotely inconvenient to our own personal situation: cars vs cyclists, babies vs kid free (now dogs!) etc.
All this outrage over someone making their own private business child free lol
r/Ireland:
“The environment should be perfectly curated to cater to my every want and desire. Everyone must follow my unwritten personal rules for existence at all times, including children, animals, and inanimate objects. Anybody who pierces the fragile bloom of my eggshell world should be viciously punished, up to and including death”
The author is not keeping up with the zeitgeist. The high watermark of We Rate Dogs, 15 out of 10 for a lovely boy, was many years ago. Just posting a picture of a dog is no longer free upvotes and likes.
Right now we are in the middle of a dog pushback. People are calling out pubs and cafes where dogs are let roam free, resident associations issue frequent warnings to pick up that dog poop, and dog attacks are being reported in the media with increasing frequency.
Someone get a time machine and send this article back to the 2010s.
That’s simply not true, I can’t get my golden anywhere besides explicitly allowing businesses. No public transport at all, there’s like one train in the country allowing then.
Kids on the other hand are allowed everywhere but in pubs (and then again…), roam free, scream, their parents scream to stop them screaming, which of course doesnt work, making it all very annoying for what should be a peaceful coffee time for anyone else.
Do you know what kind of dog owner goes to dog friendly coffees? Those that have well behaved dogs mostly, who knows their dog will say hi calmly to other dogs and settle, won’t bark forever and are clean.
Can’t say the same about parents. Wether they don’t know or don’t care their ill behaved kids aren’t welcome, they don’t try to stop them, or barely utter quiets “please sit down…please?” Which won’t change anything.
Kids aren’t unwelcome in most places. Ill behaved kids, very young toddlers, or any kid that can’t be managed effectively by their parents are.
I don’t like kids, but I don’t mind them as long as they don’t act as uncontrolable scream boxes. There’s very few I tolerate, but I have two friends whose daughters are always pleasant to be around. They run, play, spy, ask you where the other is hidden… either without screaming inside, throwing a tantrum, or they do so outside, and their parents have effective authority on them.
> But why is it that some people would prefer to have a dog in a café, licking their private parts, rather than have a child sitting up in a highchair and simply behaving like a child?
Because children are dickheads and dogs are cool Niamh
She mentions the fact that people will say children don’t behave but doesn’t refute it in any way. She simply says dogs are also badly behaved which can be true.
However, there is definitely a clash in expectations/culture. If a dog was causing chaos they’d soon be kicked out of a pub or cafe. However, the idea of removing a poorly behaved children seems to be a thing of the past.
I’m not a parent so not up on the current scientific thinking on child behaviour/discipline. But is there a reason that children aren’t removed from situations?
I always agree that children need to be exposed to adult things like restaurants and supermarkets but when we were children if someone was acting up they were brought to the car and not allowed back in and you’d be a while before you were let back out for a treat like a restaurant! In the supermarket if you took both hands off the trolley at any time you’d be called back. The only exception being if you were given instructions to grab something but if you caused anyone any hassle, you’d not be given that responsibility again and chastised for it. It’s just not a thing anymore?
We’re definitely not dog friendly. Go anywhere in Europe and you’ll see what dog friendly means. Auld grannies with their dogs in the cafe, on the train etc. people renting with pets no problem.
Dogs rule, kids drool
They don’t talk back.
Lol, ask any landlord how friendly they are to dogs. At the very least, there is no child restriction for renting
I go to cafes and restaurants all the time and I’ve never once been to one where children weren’t welcome. Childfree spaces are incredibly rare here.
This dose moans about culture wars but she’s imagining things to try create one.
Also who tf cares if there are a few childfree cafes and restaurants to cater to people who are childfree or don’t have kids yet.
Majority of kids are dragged up these days anyway and shouldn’t be allowed near any business
That is such a ragebait title lol. We’re not great at either compared to other places. I’ve seen some well behaved children and dogs in various cafes and I’ve seen some badly behaved ones. It’s not a one or other thing. I hate how everything now needs to be so fucking divisive. Kids exist, dogs exist, some are shit, some are not.
You can’t even bring a dog on a train in Ireland. Everybody’s shitebag kids are literally everywhere.
I certainly am. I will have a stronger emotional reaction to a news article saying a dog died than one saying 5 children died
Not my experience in Clare.
I say it’s far more child friendly than dog friendly.
Perhaps this is historical, as now her kids are grown up.
But the restaurant I’ve been too been excellent for toddlers.
Dogs…not so much…
I’d say it’s more that we’re becoming less exceptionally dog unfriendly, but even then, only very slowly and slightly.
Most people don’t like dogs
No, dogs aren’t allowed on buses, the Luas, or most trains—only on DART services. I’ve been living in Switzerland, where dogs are welcomed almost everywhere, and the contrast is stark.
Just because one café recently made headlines for not being kid-friendly doesn’t mean there’s a broader trend. One place making a decision like that doesn’t reflect wider societal attitudes.
The author seems to live in an alternate reality where dogs wander around giving people head. A lot of parents fail to train their children nowadays. Never been annoyed by a dog in public but deal with loud children most times I go out.
Was in Tesco yesterday.
Someone’s little cunt was running around screeching and roaring. It was clomping its feet intentionally. It would sprint into shelves. It would pick random things up and roar at its mother before throwing it towards the shelf it was originally placed at. Even when they moved on, I could hear the cunt several aisles away.
Mother was sauntering around like nothing was happening.
The headline should be why has parenting gotten so bad ?
I have young children and everywhere they go people genuinely love them. Smiles/interactions etc.
Even on planes people have been great with them.
I don’t recognise what she’s talking about all.