Shame, we might actually have to start investing in our own people and pay nhs staff a decent wage. Oh the horror.
Express-Doughnut-562 on
>Of those, 70% said it was as a result of pay, while 40% said immigration policies impacted their decision making.
So mostly pay then? I remember 15 years or so ago when every band on the agenda for change scale was a decent, livable wage. Nurses earned a decent amount because it is a difficult and important job, often with nasty hours and stress. In 2005, a Band 1 salary was about 25% greater than the minimum wage full time and a nurse almost double.
Now first two bands on the scale are the same, having been absorbed by the minimum wage and Band 3 is only about £50 a month more. To get to the same 25% above NMW now you need to be on a Band 5.
In 2017 the tories axed training bursaries for nursing and clearly switched focus to recruiting foreign nurses – probably because they could be abused into accepting the low pay. The problem is that Britain competes on the world stage for these workers, and many other countries recognize the importance of the profession and pay many times more.
GuyLookingForPorn on
Building an entire economy on importing poor people in massive numbers and doing so continuously forever, has just never seemed like a long term sustainable plan.
Possible-Pin-8280 on
NHS wards are a dysfunctional cocktail of constant linguistic and cultural misunderstandings directly resulting in patient harm.
Loreki on
Yup. No need for people with in-demand skills to stay where they don’t feel welcome.
Wide-Cash1336 on
Our own newly qualified nursing graduates don’t have enough jobs to apply into. This would help them
cennep44 on
If the population wasn’t so high, due to immigration, we wouldn’t need so many people in the NHS to begin with. Of course a perpetually growing population needs more people to service their needs – but the opposite is also true. The idea we need more immigration every year is circular reasoning, a dog chasing its tail. Reducing the population over time will reduce pressure on everything.
TheRadishBros on
They need to give staff the option to migrate to a regular (generous) DC pension — maybe matched 10% — and utilise the saved money by increasing wages by 15-20% across the board.
ok_not_badform on
Incentivise nursing jobs in the UK for UK residents?
Cute_Ad_9730 on
Or you could maybe approve visas for some nurses but not other professions. FFS. Everything has to be polarised.
DoomSluggy on
Why is it fair that the UK gets to deprive developing countries of their nurses and doctors?
I know the nurses want to come here for more money, but the brain drain makes their home countries suffer, just so our country can save a little bit of money.
ZenithOfLife on
As someone outside of the NHS has there been any polls on a mandate of years working for the NHS for 0 fees?
orangecloud_0 on
Shame. The only person who’s taken my bloods without me passing out is this lovely little magician nurse from overseas.
PoloniumPaladin on
Any time someone suggests that the NHS relies on mass third world immigration to survive, just remind yourself that Japan, Korea, Taiwan and more have much better healthcare with than we do with virtually nonexistent waiting times with close to zero immigrant nurses and doctors. Funny, that.
pajamakitten on
Make the NHS a more desirable for British graduates as well though. We cannot afford to lose foreign staff and British staff at the same time.
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Shame, we might actually have to start investing in our own people and pay nhs staff a decent wage. Oh the horror.
>Of those, 70% said it was as a result of pay, while 40% said immigration policies impacted their decision making.
So mostly pay then? I remember 15 years or so ago when every band on the agenda for change scale was a decent, livable wage. Nurses earned a decent amount because it is a difficult and important job, often with nasty hours and stress. In 2005, a Band 1 salary was about 25% greater than the minimum wage full time and a nurse almost double.
Now first two bands on the scale are the same, having been absorbed by the minimum wage and Band 3 is only about £50 a month more. To get to the same 25% above NMW now you need to be on a Band 5.
In 2017 the tories axed training bursaries for nursing and clearly switched focus to recruiting foreign nurses – probably because they could be abused into accepting the low pay. The problem is that Britain competes on the world stage for these workers, and many other countries recognize the importance of the profession and pay many times more.
Building an entire economy on importing poor people in massive numbers and doing so continuously forever, has just never seemed like a long term sustainable plan.
NHS wards are a dysfunctional cocktail of constant linguistic and cultural misunderstandings directly resulting in patient harm.
Yup. No need for people with in-demand skills to stay where they don’t feel welcome.
Our own newly qualified nursing graduates don’t have enough jobs to apply into. This would help them
If the population wasn’t so high, due to immigration, we wouldn’t need so many people in the NHS to begin with. Of course a perpetually growing population needs more people to service their needs – but the opposite is also true. The idea we need more immigration every year is circular reasoning, a dog chasing its tail. Reducing the population over time will reduce pressure on everything.
They need to give staff the option to migrate to a regular (generous) DC pension — maybe matched 10% — and utilise the saved money by increasing wages by 15-20% across the board.
Incentivise nursing jobs in the UK for UK residents?
Or you could maybe approve visas for some nurses but not other professions. FFS. Everything has to be polarised.
Why is it fair that the UK gets to deprive developing countries of their nurses and doctors?
I know the nurses want to come here for more money, but the brain drain makes their home countries suffer, just so our country can save a little bit of money.
As someone outside of the NHS has there been any polls on a mandate of years working for the NHS for 0 fees?
Shame. The only person who’s taken my bloods without me passing out is this lovely little magician nurse from overseas.
Any time someone suggests that the NHS relies on mass third world immigration to survive, just remind yourself that Japan, Korea, Taiwan and more have much better healthcare with than we do with virtually nonexistent waiting times with close to zero immigrant nurses and doctors. Funny, that.
Make the NHS a more desirable for British graduates as well though. We cannot afford to lose foreign staff and British staff at the same time.