Le persone nell’Irlanda del Nord dovrebbero votare alle elezioni presidenziali irlandesi? – The Irish Times
https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/2025/05/15/why-not-give-everyone-in-northern-ireland-the-right-to-vote-in-the-souths-presidential-elections/
di Reasonable-Food4834
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Only if we can vote in their king/queen elections
I mean, if it’s a united island…yeah, course. One system fair representation and vote.
If not a united island, no.
Not sure why this would be a discussion
Edit: to clarify, my comment is my perspective on the complicated logistics of 2 governments in which the acting president has no formal standing in the NI government. Therefore voting for him would not serve them across the border. They should be afforded that right but what propose, outside of a say in Irish politics, does it serve. The right should be extended but then you will find people will want lines drawn. Can vote, but can’t stand for election. It’s not as simple as a yes or no.
I think it would serve as one of the next steps in a united ireland but one that should be afforded full consideration.
That’s actually a really great article that deals with practical realities rather than the idealistic aspirations that this issue usually results in
if they are irish citizens yes and live in NI
Why is this even a question?
People who do not live in a country should have no say in the national politics and leadership in their country.
Do Irish people have a vote, in the American presidential elections, or elections in Canada/Australia?
This whole debate is absolutely bonkers?
If certain people want the North to have a vote in Irish politics they should be pushing for unification not wasting people’s time talking about this rubbish.
If they want to pay us taxes, sure.
Don’t see why you’d have a vote in how the country runs (even if just the president), if you’re not contributing to the country.
I usually find Newton’s perspective interesting as it’s broadly representative of Unionists who don’t reflexively foam at the mouth about anything Irish.
This article, though, seems like he’s hunting for problems where they don’t exist and largely ignoring them where they actually do. I get his point, I just don’t think it matters that much. Identifying a voting population isn’t that hard here. Do it by either of the ways mentioned. It’ll be fine. Both will require active participation from whoever would like to vote. Simply confer the right without requiring people to _identify_ as anything.
if you are an Irish citizen and live on the island of Ireland you should get a vote. Its beyond absurd that you can run for President of Ireland, but can’t vote for one.
I struggle to see why we would rule out a section of the country because of a soft border?
I think if they hold a Irish passport, as in they’ve Irish Citizenship and by extension EU Citizenship, even dual, that’s a vote.
It also means they’ll have tax obligations to the Irish State & EU.
No free lunch or breakfast. You want a say in the government, you contribute to PRSI , USC etc just like the rest of us. You also have the potential to be called for Jury duty etc. They have to complete the census aswell. All the i’s and t’s
My passport/Citizenship is not just a privilege, it’s a responsibility.
I think if you hold an irish passport and live on the island of ireland or its subsequent islands offshore then yes.
No to non irish passport holders in n.i voting. No to passport holders living abroad voting. Yes to citizens in republic voting whondont happen tonhave a passport.
Some of the partitionist views/commentary on here is so disheartening to read. Pathetic. We’re Irish in the 6 counties – not aliens.
All Irish citizens who are permanent residents on the island of Ireland should be allowed to vote for the president.
They’re eligible to be the president but not vote for the president.
Didnt know this thread was a free stater / partitionist meet up
I have to say I can’t tell if most of these comments are bots or else people that I have often heard described as free staters.
Many people in the six counties struggled for the very independence that you in the 26 enjoy. The very least you can do is allow your citizens in the north to vote in a symbolic election for the Irish presidential.
Irish citizens on the island of Ireland should be able to vote in Dail elections.
Southerners would never go for it, it increases the chances of a Shinner taking the office by far too much to be comfortable
This sub is so fucking weird, spends half the time complaining about the Brits and the other half denying Irish people exist in Northern Ireland
No, it will only lend to any Irish passport holder in the U.S.A. to have a vote and we on this island will be outnumbered by them
Love the west Brit comments
Ireland is a 32 county nation and the president (who is mostly ceremonial) represents the Irish people of Ireland.
People saying that the Irish in the 6 counties shouldn’t vote because we aren’t in “Ireland” would need to have a look at themselves. You don’t have a veto on what counties is Irish or not because some of you sold us out in 1922 and continue to do so.
Ask us this if that’s the case was the 26 counties not Irish before 1922?
So all the free staters who have the opinion that we aren’t Irish. Agree that before 1922 there was no such thing as Irish people and is only a relatively new phenomenon in the past 100 years?
On a practical level, who would oversee such an election in the north to ensure there is fraud?
An Irish civil service body can’t operate in a different state at such a local level
So the United Ireland votes ….
When people from NI ask questions about people in the south inferring to them not being Irish or being from a different country, this sub is a perfect example of why they ask these questions.
I think it’s a step toward eventual integration. If being born on the island makes you a republic citizen (even in NI) (with restrictions), then they should be able to vote for the president.
I don’t really get why this is such a big deal tbh – the Irish president is meant to represent all Irish people, not just Irish citizens currently living in the republic of Ireland.
Surely the solution is just to just allow Irish passport holders resident in Northern Ireland/the North to register to vote as anyone in the republic normally would? This solution is mentioned in the article but dismissed as not everyone who is eligible would be registered – but that’s the same in many democracies, including in the Republic for all elections?
I’d also love to see actual figures on how many Irish passport holders there are worldwide – the 80m figure is often cited, but that’s just the estimated number of people of Irish heritage (while someone is only eligible for an Irish passport if one of their 4 grandparents is/was an Irish citizen, and the vast majority of those eligible don’t even apply). I bet that even allowing all Irish passport holders to register to vote in the Presidential Election, first requiring them to also register to vote after getting their passport, would lead to an extra 10-15% of votes.
To me, much more pressing is the fact that we are one of the few democracies which doesn’t allow voting by post or proxy (except for in exceptional circumstances), especially for those who emigrated. We also don’t allow non-citizen residents to vote in general elections, despite them having to follow the same laws, pay the same taxes, and use the same public services – really undemocratic imo. It also helps FF and FG maintain power, as a smaller proportion of older, richer homeowners vote for them while those who are forced to emigrate (younger, poorer renters) and those who immigrate (also younger, poorer renters in general) are banned from voting.
A potential solution imo:
•Presidential Elections: allow all Irish passport holders to register to vote (maybe with a requirement for having been resident in the island of Ireland at some stage).
•General Elections and Referenda: allow all Irish citizens who have been resident in Ireland within 5 years to vote, and allow all non-citizen residents to vote (as they do in Scotland and other countries).
Was up in Belfast sad to say it smells bad
Why should they get to affect the laws and leadership of a state they’re not part of. Doesn’t seem all that complicated.
Who keeps putting up these click bait news headlines? It’s pure obvious it’s to encourage “engagement” and “public feedback”.