>does not provide financial support to those training for one of the most essential roles in society
>said people training struggle financially
who could have seen this coming….
BaBeBaBeBooby on
It really is bad the hospitals sold off their accommodation
Ready_Satisfaction_6 on
I also heard that employees of the hospitals, NHS have to pay for parking. Some have cars but end up using buses or working to avoid the sizable charge. Whole this is disgusting. These are the people saving our lives, shouldn’t they been well rested, cared for, paid!?
Extension-Reward7335 on
But at least we pay to feed and house all the illegals so they have the time to join terrorist marches. Why would we help nurses when we can help criminals instead?
ThinkSpend7452 on
Probably waste most of their money on boozing at the weekend.
Wide-Cash1336 on
And not even a job at the end of it now, those are handed out to nurses from Ghana and India instead
Ok_Astronaut_3235 on
Last time I was in hospital I met a 3rd year nursing “student”. She was fully doing the job and PAYING for the privilege with an hour commute each way. I was astounded. This wasn’t a placement or for experience it felt completely exploitative that this lovely girl was paying uni fees to actually be a nurse with a bit of supervision. Why aren’t nursing degrees free??!!
ravingiron on
It’s absolutely criminal and sadly a sign of the times.
weedbearsandpie on
I’m a nurse, when I was a student I had to work 7 days a week for months at a time, 5 days would be without any pay at all (unless you count the small amount you get in student finance, which is far below minimum wage) as part of placements and the other 2 were to pay my bills, the two to pay my bills were also 13 hour shifts
and I have a kid
It’s not easy, at all, and then you end up with a job that pays only slightly more than making coffee at costa for the sake of saving peoples lives
Bobo3076 on
You know shits fucked when the people who literally save our lives daily can’t afford to exist
Ulysses1978ii on
Education and Health is where we should be putting our money. Tax the rich.
KL_boy on
Then don’t be surprised when we don’t have enough of them in the future. They either leave or not sign up.
You get what you pay for I guess
fat_betch on
Have 2 pals that graduated a few years back. Both are now extremely burned out and considering a new career path.
I work in the healthcare system in this country try too, and jeez. It’s in a bad place.
Pleasant-chamoix-653 on
I#m glad MPs get annual payrises
and for those who say we need to pay top money for top talent…why are they doing second jobs? Subsidised booze in parliament and nurses use food banks and pay to park at work, F u George Osborne
Acceptable_Average14 on
I’m not a nursing student but ODP student. I have a maintenance loan and NHS bursary which is roughly £15K. I still have to work, complete placements which are 6/7 weeks at a time at unpaid full-time hours. Yes, we do have our expenses paid, but it’s still hard in this climate.
It’s also demotivating knowing that putting yourself through all this it’s not even a decent starting wage compared to other degree educated professions. I’m honestly close to quitting as I’m not sure the efforts are worth what you get in return and I’m knackered already.
Justonemorecupoftea on
They should, at minimum, get paid minimum wage for their placement hours, perhaps with pay bumps for each year – a 3rd year nursing student is pretty autonomous and although technically supernumerary and has additional supervision they do add capacity to the ward they are on.
Same for teachers, medical students and social workers.
Then again none of the above should pay tuition fees either.
Dangeruss82 on
I mean… they knew what they were going into. If they didn’t they should have.
justheretolurk1981 on
Caught up with one of my students who qualified over 5 years ago. Her student loan debt is now more than what it was 5 years against even tho she’s been paying it every month.
She finished her degree in London with over £60k worth of debt (student loan and accommodation) only to go back to the midlands to be earning band 5 money (was £22000). She feels absolutely conned.
SnooOpinions8790 on
Housing costs are insane for anyone starting out in a new profession (my son has hit this training to be a teacher)
The problem is the housing costs – especially rental costs as that is what someone starting out or doing training needs. If you can’t get accommodation with friend or family it might not be viable other than by going deep into debt.
I don’t think the answer is to push more money into a broken system – the answer is to fix the total mismatch of supply and demand. That means building more homes and cutting out madness like the Boriswave.
ICanDanceIfIWantToo on
Best get some more migration if UK workers aren’t willing to do it
(do I need to add the /s)
DecompressionIllness on
I was studying the course for a while before becoming ill and yeah, it’s pretty shit.
We do full-time hours for chunks of the course but we’re not paid for those house, so a lot of us turn to work outside of uni. You can imagine working full-time hours as a student, then working part-time hours on top of that. I had a breakdown in January of last year. Took a leave of absence in the March of that year.
Ironically I can afford to live on sick pay better than I can being a student nurse on SFE and the 5K bursary.
orangecloud_0 on
Tories almost changed it that NHS can br bought.. and then they were voted out. Of course this is aftermath. Here, in US, Democrats, or sorry..anything other than right wingers, are there to fix it
A-Grey-World on
My wife works as a healthcare assistant. Everyone always asks her when she’s doing her nursing.
You have to pay thousands for the joy of *working* for years, to have more responsibility and barely any pay increase. Really isn’t worth it for her.
SneakyCorrecter on
In Scotland, eligible nursing students receive a non-repayable bursary of £10,000 per year for the first three years of their course, and £7,500 in the fourth year. This bursary is not means-tested and is paid monthly throughout the course. Additionally, tuition fees are covered by the Scottish Government, so students do not pay tuition fees. Students may also be eligible for additional allowances, such as the Initial Expenses Allowance and income-assessed Dependants Allowance.
DaveyBeefcake on
So stop becoming nurses. The government will eventually throw money at them to come back, especially if they stop desperate immigrants who will work for peanuts from flooding these industries.
Craic-Den on
And we will do nothing about it, we will sit back and scroll onto the next Reddit post and laugh at a video of a silly puppy. This article will be forgotten about in 5 mins.
Personal_Director441 on
Yep and who’s to blame, the shining champion of the NHS….Jeremy Hunt who under his 7 year disastrous tenure as health minister decided the first thing to do was remove the bursary system for training nurses and midwives, this dropped recruitment by 2/3rds, Uni’s cancelled courses and its never recovered (FYI before the reddit keyboard warriors claim i don’t know what i am talking about i worked in the exact field during that time). Utter TORY scum.
Trivius on
What do unis expect?
Most accommodation costs more than the yearly bursary ( if you get one) and then you need to find time to work a job on top of placement and coursework.
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>does not provide financial support to those training for one of the most essential roles in society
>said people training struggle financially
who could have seen this coming….
It really is bad the hospitals sold off their accommodation
I also heard that employees of the hospitals, NHS have to pay for parking. Some have cars but end up using buses or working to avoid the sizable charge. Whole this is disgusting. These are the people saving our lives, shouldn’t they been well rested, cared for, paid!?
But at least we pay to feed and house all the illegals so they have the time to join terrorist marches. Why would we help nurses when we can help criminals instead?
Probably waste most of their money on boozing at the weekend.
And not even a job at the end of it now, those are handed out to nurses from Ghana and India instead
Last time I was in hospital I met a 3rd year nursing “student”. She was fully doing the job and PAYING for the privilege with an hour commute each way. I was astounded. This wasn’t a placement or for experience it felt completely exploitative that this lovely girl was paying uni fees to actually be a nurse with a bit of supervision. Why aren’t nursing degrees free??!!
It’s absolutely criminal and sadly a sign of the times.
I’m a nurse, when I was a student I had to work 7 days a week for months at a time, 5 days would be without any pay at all (unless you count the small amount you get in student finance, which is far below minimum wage) as part of placements and the other 2 were to pay my bills, the two to pay my bills were also 13 hour shifts
and I have a kid
It’s not easy, at all, and then you end up with a job that pays only slightly more than making coffee at costa for the sake of saving peoples lives
You know shits fucked when the people who literally save our lives daily can’t afford to exist
Education and Health is where we should be putting our money. Tax the rich.
Then don’t be surprised when we don’t have enough of them in the future. They either leave or not sign up.
You get what you pay for I guess
Have 2 pals that graduated a few years back. Both are now extremely burned out and considering a new career path.
I work in the healthcare system in this country try too, and jeez. It’s in a bad place.
I#m glad MPs get annual payrises
and for those who say we need to pay top money for top talent…why are they doing second jobs? Subsidised booze in parliament and nurses use food banks and pay to park at work, F u George Osborne
I’m not a nursing student but ODP student. I have a maintenance loan and NHS bursary which is roughly £15K. I still have to work, complete placements which are 6/7 weeks at a time at unpaid full-time hours. Yes, we do have our expenses paid, but it’s still hard in this climate.
It’s also demotivating knowing that putting yourself through all this it’s not even a decent starting wage compared to other degree educated professions. I’m honestly close to quitting as I’m not sure the efforts are worth what you get in return and I’m knackered already.
They should, at minimum, get paid minimum wage for their placement hours, perhaps with pay bumps for each year – a 3rd year nursing student is pretty autonomous and although technically supernumerary and has additional supervision they do add capacity to the ward they are on.
Same for teachers, medical students and social workers.
Then again none of the above should pay tuition fees either.
I mean… they knew what they were going into. If they didn’t they should have.
Caught up with one of my students who qualified over 5 years ago. Her student loan debt is now more than what it was 5 years against even tho she’s been paying it every month.
She finished her degree in London with over £60k worth of debt (student loan and accommodation) only to go back to the midlands to be earning band 5 money (was £22000). She feels absolutely conned.
Housing costs are insane for anyone starting out in a new profession (my son has hit this training to be a teacher)
The problem is the housing costs – especially rental costs as that is what someone starting out or doing training needs. If you can’t get accommodation with friend or family it might not be viable other than by going deep into debt.
I don’t think the answer is to push more money into a broken system – the answer is to fix the total mismatch of supply and demand. That means building more homes and cutting out madness like the Boriswave.
Best get some more migration if UK workers aren’t willing to do it
(do I need to add the /s)
I was studying the course for a while before becoming ill and yeah, it’s pretty shit.
We do full-time hours for chunks of the course but we’re not paid for those house, so a lot of us turn to work outside of uni. You can imagine working full-time hours as a student, then working part-time hours on top of that. I had a breakdown in January of last year. Took a leave of absence in the March of that year.
Ironically I can afford to live on sick pay better than I can being a student nurse on SFE and the 5K bursary.
Tories almost changed it that NHS can br bought.. and then they were voted out. Of course this is aftermath. Here, in US, Democrats, or sorry..anything other than right wingers, are there to fix it
My wife works as a healthcare assistant. Everyone always asks her when she’s doing her nursing.
You have to pay thousands for the joy of *working* for years, to have more responsibility and barely any pay increase. Really isn’t worth it for her.
In Scotland, eligible nursing students receive a non-repayable bursary of £10,000 per year for the first three years of their course, and £7,500 in the fourth year. This bursary is not means-tested and is paid monthly throughout the course. Additionally, tuition fees are covered by the Scottish Government, so students do not pay tuition fees. Students may also be eligible for additional allowances, such as the Initial Expenses Allowance and income-assessed Dependants Allowance.
So stop becoming nurses. The government will eventually throw money at them to come back, especially if they stop desperate immigrants who will work for peanuts from flooding these industries.
And we will do nothing about it, we will sit back and scroll onto the next Reddit post and laugh at a video of a silly puppy. This article will be forgotten about in 5 mins.
Yep and who’s to blame, the shining champion of the NHS….Jeremy Hunt who under his 7 year disastrous tenure as health minister decided the first thing to do was remove the bursary system for training nurses and midwives, this dropped recruitment by 2/3rds, Uni’s cancelled courses and its never recovered (FYI before the reddit keyboard warriors claim i don’t know what i am talking about i worked in the exact field during that time). Utter TORY scum.
What do unis expect?
Most accommodation costs more than the yearly bursary ( if you get one) and then you need to find time to work a job on top of placement and coursework.