No surprised. Suspect it’s always been that way. Going from primary school to high school is a daunting experience.
True-Abalone-3380 on
That’s about the time they have to start actual learning things and putting some effort in. It’s also the time those who want to learn about the world can really open up and thrive.
Various_Leek_1772 on
well duh. they go from being the biggest and oldest in primary to the youngest and smallest in secondary. they now have multiple new teachers, news classrooms and new social dynamics to contend with and more homework, expectations and hormones to deal with.
schools know this. year 7&8 are for settling the kids into secondary. year 9 preps them for GCSE subjects and year 10-11 is for GCSEs. once they have done those, kids feel better in sixth form because they have accomplished something major and they are bigger and their hormones settle somewhat.
but the social pressure from all around in year 7 is huge and would weigh on anyone.
Simple_Joys on
The marketisation of secondary school selection probably doesn’t help.
Long gone are the days when everybody in a local catchment area went to the local primary school, and then basically the entirety of the academic year moved from that primary school into the local secondary school together.
Now, through the wisdom of league tables and parents who think they know best, an enormous number of kids are moved away from all their mates and shoved into an entirely different community where they’re asked to build an entire new network of friends from scratch. Often for such meaningful reasons as ‘because the school we’re sending our kid to got a _slightly_ better Ofsted report than the local comprehensive’ or ‘because 77% of school leavers at the new school got passes in all their GCSEs, compared to only 74% at the local comprehensive’.
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Qyro on
Just read this out loud and my 12 year old clapped so hard
Ethroptur1 on
We need to consider to what extend the school environment is impacting wellbeing, and to what extend this is symptomatic of the regular angst of puberty,
MediocreSocialite on
Primary school: (Application focus)
Teachers care about children understanding what they are taught.
Secondary school: (Grade focus)
Teachers are forced to make sure children are able to pass regardless if the students actually understand or can apply what’s being taught.
Shas_Erra on
* Being suddenly moved into a class that may or may not include people you know.
* Constant comparison to other children at different stages of development (being pre-pubescent and forced to shower with someone who hit manhood like a brick wall, does *wonders* for self confidence /s).
* Sudden increase in discipline.
* No access to mental health support or guidance.
* Constant pressure to decide right there and then what you want to do for the rest of your life (joke’s on you: the economy is fucked so unless you’re very, very lucky, you’re stuck on the bottom rung for life).
* Being constantly reminded that you’ll spend the next five years of your life either taking exams or preparing to take exams.
Secondary school was hell.
PreviousConfusion606 on
Enjoyment and school never were good together in a sentence, even 20 years ago!
Entire-Cow-1641 on
I wonder why?
Oh yeah, that’s the year I started getting openly assaulted with no repercussions.
Happy_llama on
Secondary school, in year 7 was where I had the first rumor spread about me, which pretty much set my social standing for most of my time at my school. It did get a little better towards the end. But that one rumor really caused a lot of issues for me
Crazy80sbird on
Let’s not forget about sitting in Isolation too as a punishment. Tiny room, no windows 🙄. Oh and having Mr Bad coffee breath, screaming in your face and belittling you😅
all_about_that_ace on
I dropped out at the beginning of year 7, honestly I was already so done with school by that point that it would have had to been amazing to want to stay. With my dyslexia I was learning literally nothing in school, and it had really messed with my desire to socialise so I wasn’t getting anything out of that side either.
daiwilly on
It’s almost as if education should have evolved…..but has not! Year 7 should be the year of citizenship. Understand your country and world beyond .
spacespaces on
I wonder if the same is true in Scotland, where they stay one more year in primary school before moving up in Year 8?
Definitely worth considering.
Random_Nobody1991 on
This might be unpopular on here, but I think this is one area where the Americans have it right (or at least better). In the UK, when you’re 11, you’re chucked in with people who are near adults, much bigger than you and it’s very daunting. It’s like being a hobbit in Gondor and even when I was at school, I always found these arrangements odd to say the least. Am I being wrong when I suggest we should perhaps have a change in the system where we have a “middle school” maybe for years 7-9 and a higher bit for years 10+?
SrsJoe on
It’s no surprise, so much more pressure is put on them from the start
Captain-Starshield on
For me, it was the complete opposite. I HATED my primary school experience, but my secondary school experience was great.
hiddeninplainsight23 on
I’m not surprised. Year 7 is the most carefree year, but you’re also being told constantly in almost every lesson that everything you do is important and that it’s affects your university prospects, so that internal stress starts building from either early in Yr 7, or Yr 6 if you’re unlucky. Many other factors go into a pupil’s happiness, but this is one oft-forgotten one that would definitely be constantly nagging in every schoolkid’s mind for the next 5+ years.
Pitiful_Carrot5349 on
I’m sure this is true. But it doesn’t necessarily follow that “something must be done”. My own kids are just going through / about to go through this and it’s tough, no doubt about it. But that’s the idea, we gradually ramp up what we expect of children from nothing as a baby to everything as an adult.
The aim has to be to do that gradually, avoid overwhelming them while continuing to make progress. Year 7 is always going to be one of the bigger steps, and schools already know that, they do far more work on the transition than they did when I went through it.
Always worth remembering that there’s a fixed end point to this at the end of education. If we take some stress off children, we’re not really removing it, we’re just delaying it and they’ll get it all in one lump at exam time or when they have to go to work.
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No surprised. Suspect it’s always been that way. Going from primary school to high school is a daunting experience.
That’s about the time they have to start actual learning things and putting some effort in. It’s also the time those who want to learn about the world can really open up and thrive.
well duh. they go from being the biggest and oldest in primary to the youngest and smallest in secondary. they now have multiple new teachers, news classrooms and new social dynamics to contend with and more homework, expectations and hormones to deal with.
schools know this. year 7&8 are for settling the kids into secondary. year 9 preps them for GCSE subjects and year 10-11 is for GCSEs. once they have done those, kids feel better in sixth form because they have accomplished something major and they are bigger and their hormones settle somewhat.
but the social pressure from all around in year 7 is huge and would weigh on anyone.
The marketisation of secondary school selection probably doesn’t help.
Long gone are the days when everybody in a local catchment area went to the local primary school, and then basically the entirety of the academic year moved from that primary school into the local secondary school together.
Now, through the wisdom of league tables and parents who think they know best, an enormous number of kids are moved away from all their mates and shoved into an entirely different community where they’re asked to build an entire new network of friends from scratch. Often for such meaningful reasons as ‘because the school we’re sending our kid to got a _slightly_ better Ofsted report than the local comprehensive’ or ‘because 77% of school leavers at the new school got passes in all their GCSEs, compared to only 74% at the local comprehensive’.
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Just read this out loud and my 12 year old clapped so hard
We need to consider to what extend the school environment is impacting wellbeing, and to what extend this is symptomatic of the regular angst of puberty,
Primary school: (Application focus)
Teachers care about children understanding what they are taught.
Secondary school: (Grade focus)
Teachers are forced to make sure children are able to pass regardless if the students actually understand or can apply what’s being taught.
* Being suddenly moved into a class that may or may not include people you know.
* Constant comparison to other children at different stages of development (being pre-pubescent and forced to shower with someone who hit manhood like a brick wall, does *wonders* for self confidence /s).
* Sudden increase in discipline.
* No access to mental health support or guidance.
* Constant pressure to decide right there and then what you want to do for the rest of your life (joke’s on you: the economy is fucked so unless you’re very, very lucky, you’re stuck on the bottom rung for life).
* Being constantly reminded that you’ll spend the next five years of your life either taking exams or preparing to take exams.
Secondary school was hell.
Enjoyment and school never were good together in a sentence, even 20 years ago!
I wonder why?
Oh yeah, that’s the year I started getting openly assaulted with no repercussions.
Secondary school, in year 7 was where I had the first rumor spread about me, which pretty much set my social standing for most of my time at my school. It did get a little better towards the end. But that one rumor really caused a lot of issues for me
Let’s not forget about sitting in Isolation too as a punishment. Tiny room, no windows 🙄. Oh and having Mr Bad coffee breath, screaming in your face and belittling you😅
I dropped out at the beginning of year 7, honestly I was already so done with school by that point that it would have had to been amazing to want to stay. With my dyslexia I was learning literally nothing in school, and it had really messed with my desire to socialise so I wasn’t getting anything out of that side either.
It’s almost as if education should have evolved…..but has not! Year 7 should be the year of citizenship. Understand your country and world beyond .
I wonder if the same is true in Scotland, where they stay one more year in primary school before moving up in Year 8?
Definitely worth considering.
This might be unpopular on here, but I think this is one area where the Americans have it right (or at least better). In the UK, when you’re 11, you’re chucked in with people who are near adults, much bigger than you and it’s very daunting. It’s like being a hobbit in Gondor and even when I was at school, I always found these arrangements odd to say the least. Am I being wrong when I suggest we should perhaps have a change in the system where we have a “middle school” maybe for years 7-9 and a higher bit for years 10+?
It’s no surprise, so much more pressure is put on them from the start
For me, it was the complete opposite. I HATED my primary school experience, but my secondary school experience was great.
I’m not surprised. Year 7 is the most carefree year, but you’re also being told constantly in almost every lesson that everything you do is important and that it’s affects your university prospects, so that internal stress starts building from either early in Yr 7, or Yr 6 if you’re unlucky. Many other factors go into a pupil’s happiness, but this is one oft-forgotten one that would definitely be constantly nagging in every schoolkid’s mind for the next 5+ years.
I’m sure this is true. But it doesn’t necessarily follow that “something must be done”. My own kids are just going through / about to go through this and it’s tough, no doubt about it. But that’s the idea, we gradually ramp up what we expect of children from nothing as a baby to everything as an adult.
The aim has to be to do that gradually, avoid overwhelming them while continuing to make progress. Year 7 is always going to be one of the bigger steps, and schools already know that, they do far more work on the transition than they did when I went through it.
Always worth remembering that there’s a fixed end point to this at the end of education. If we take some stress off children, we’re not really removing it, we’re just delaying it and they’ll get it all in one lump at exam time or when they have to go to work.