Bill per ridurre l’età del voto a 16 introdotto a Dáil – e Taoiseach “non escluderebbe nulla”
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/bill-to-lower-voting-age-to-16-introduced-in-dail-and-taoiseach-wouldnt-rule-anything-out/a1936945105.html
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I think it’s a good idea, when I was in school for the juniour cert we did CSPE, that included a trip to the Dáil and everything.
If you’re old enough to work, you’re old enough to vote.
I don’t agree with this tbh. Most 16 year olds don’t know anything about or have any interest in politics and will probably just vote who their parents tell them to.
I still think it’s perfect right where it’s at
Can’t see this getting approved by the electorate.
Besides, can some explain the justification for 16? Why not 17, or 15?
I’d prefer initiatives to get the current youngest demographics to vote, instead of chasing the 16yo voting block. Many countries would look much different if the 18-25 bracket bothered turning out. And IIRC we’re no different in terms of young adults turnout
So can it simply be passed by the Dáil or does it need a referendum?
As a 16 year old I disagree with this. So many people I know would just jump behind the campaign of someone like Conor McGregor.
Only if the TD and local government minimum ages are also brought down to 16. Fuck it sure, we’ve tried letting adults run the country badly, how about some literal children.
Idk about this. 17, maybe. I think 18 is good.
bad idea in todays world. Teens are too susceptible to disinformation and lack the critical thinking skills an 18 year old would have. Not much better but better. Until Ireland deals with the absolute scutter being force fed into young people by facebook, twitter, tiktok and telegram this is best left alone.
Congratulations in advance to President Skibidi on his landslide victory.
The thought of 15 year old me voting for anything makes me shudder
I reckon teachers would have a terrible time with this, accused of having a political bias for teaching history for example. Having complaints thrown at them during Parent-Teacher meetings.
That’s before we’d get to the antics from TDs etc. trying to court the 16yo vote with ‘the memes’ .
I think it would be better to let secondary schools & their students remain free from political BS.
No.
Jesus fuck no.
Seems ridiculous to be honest. 18 is young enough.
This doesn’t seem like a good idea. Not mature enough to drive or to drink or to give consent among many other things, but mature enough to decide how the country is run?
We should be raising it to 30.
Ah fuck that nope 18 permanently
Grand, so 16 year old twats that pop wheelies on Grafton street could potentially get to vote before people in north. That’s not at all a slap in the face.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ireland/s/h5I94pIx1R
A year ago under 21 was too immature to smoke.
Now 16 is mature enough to vote.
Can we not just leave the lot at 18 and maybe focus the efforts of the government on fixing the ACTUAL issues in the country!?
The way I think about it, if you’re unlucky with the way elections fall you might not be able to vote until you’re 23. You can do your leaving and deal with years of housing, health and/or third level education issues with no way to voice your concerns.
People will say 16 year olds are immature but so are 18/19/20 year olds. That’s not why we give people a vote anyway. Anyone saying they shouldn’t because of online influence should also want anyone over 60 banned from voting for the same reason.
They will literally do anything other than address the problems in this country.
Grandstand on Ukraine, grandstand on Palestine, grandstand on Kneecaps views on Israel and Tories, look into lowering voting age (nobody has asked for this).
Meanwhile auto-enrolment may be getting pushed back and the HSE isn’t exactly thriving.
Voting is a feature of legal adulthood, it can’t be decoupled from having to bear full responsibility for one’s own actions. The way many 18 and even 20 year olds live their lives these days – maybe it should be raised, if anything.
If this goes through, we will have to deal with TikTok influencers becoming TDs
We’d need a referendum, and honestly there are many far more important issues for the country and the government to be focusing on right now.
Besides, I don’t think this would pass. 18 is widely recognised as being the beginning of adulthood, and the right to vote is considered to be one of the markers of that transition. I don’t think there is any appetite to change that.
Think this is a great idea. The electorate, and therefore the government, is too weighted towards the interests of older people. It’s a part of the reason for the housing crisis. You need to get younger people engaged as well, but this is a good step. And voting is a habit, best to start early in life.
And for people saying young people are too ignorant, you could walk into any local in the country and find some head the balls who believe all sorts, and for better or worse they can vote.
Maybe a stupid idea; 16 year olds likely won’t give a shit and will just vote for whatever.
Things are fine as they are with the current voting age.
This is a fix for something that isn’t a problem
I’m a little concerned about lowering it to 16 because they are still in school.
Schools have probably changed a lot in the last 2-3 decades but definitely if it was back when I was in school the school itself and specific teachers would be hard pushing a narrative on many politically contentious points… like we had a lay person/ nurse come in to tell us the safest sex was none at all and that abortion was murder….
Nowadays concerns would also be tick tock but I’ve seen early 20s and grown ass boomers in their 60s convinced by storied floating around there like last week someone in their mid 20s was showing me how China were flying through Israeli aerspace and airdropping aid into gaza… only the plane was clearly a hercules so one quick news source search later and hey presto it was a hoax.
In that sense I suppose we are just screwed anyway… to much of the voting populace read and believe a headline on anything from a tick tick video to an Instagram post.. do no further checks and circulate it, you could probably buy a future Irish referendum vote win for under 100m.
16 year olds have their heads up their arses.. The brain hasn’t matured yet.
I actually think there’s a reasonable case to be made that we shouldn’t be voting till we’re about 27 😅
When I was 16 I thought this was a great idea. I’m now 24 and think it’s a bad idea.
First thing is to get the electoral register sorted so it’s not full of duplicates. Based on the news reports saying how common that is it would sort much of the poor turnout figures we’ve seen in recent elections, by simply correctly showing the number registered to vote.
Next thing they need to do, once the electoral register is actually correct, is centralise it into a national register rather than have multiple registers around the coubtry. Once that’s done bring in automatic registration once a person hits 18. The only time someone should have to register to vote is if they’ve newly moved here or if they’re newly naturalised.
Once the electoral register is fixed and everyone eligible to vote is registered they should bring in mandatory voting like they have in Australia. Everyone has a responsibility as a citizen to engage in the electoral process.
This would be a much better use of their time than discussing giving a vote to 16 year olds or people living abroad.
I’m not a fan. It would probably “help” some of the policies I support, but not for the right reasons. Kids at that age are too susceptible to online propaganda and don’t know enough to make informed decisions (by and large). I’m happy with it being 18. If anything, I think we should require that voters pass a basic civics test. If you need to pass a test to drive a car, you should need the same to drive a country.