> And, in the landmark report, the influential groups are calling on Sir Keir Starmer to take the fight to Reform UK with a radical programme to rebuild local communities – not by seeking to ape Nigel Farage on immigration.
Why not just do both, get a handle on immigration so that each new immigrant is a net gain on the economy and then also rebuild local communities.
It isn’t either/or.
Icy-Tear4613 on
So we will vote for a party that will make the decline so much more rapid!
pyramidsofryan on
Another cheery optimistic headline from our wonderful media
hrrymcdngh on
I’m on the central line right now for the first time in ages and the carriages are literally fucked – graffiti everywhere and broken glass. So yeah I support this. 14 years of Tory decay.
Lopsided_Rush3935 on
I have said it before, and I suppose I shall say it again.
The only reason Britain clings to it’s history as much as it does in recent decades is because it’s the only thing that stays the same value or improves. Everything else is always getting worse.
EdmundTheInsulter on
Sounds like a daft solution proposed by people who don’t want to listen to what the public have told them.
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Justjestar1 on
Why not stop blaming immigrants and blame the actual people in power for the past *checks notes* 14 years?
Nah let’s reward them and vote for them.
jammiedodgermonster on
The UK is a better place than most countries, however it could be so much better and it feels like we never recovered from the 2008 financial crisis, let alone the effects of Brexit and COVID.N Immigration has not helped but it is just another factor that has contributed to our decline. Frankly, native Brits are equally to blame due to lack of community pride and tall poppy syndrome. It is like a sizeable proportion do not want anything nice and certainly do not want others to have it either.
Khuros on
I like to think you Brits have come a long way since 800 AD. It could always be worse and you could have been fucked from the start
fyodorrosko on
Well yeah, we’ve been in a state of managed decline for two decades now. It’s hardly “damning” when it was the explicit policy goals of the Tories for 15 years and also for Starmer’s labour party. Unless we’re just supposed to pretend that nobody in the media had any clue what either the Tories or labour were doing in all that time.
evolveandprosper on
Vote Reform for REAL decline. None of your namby-pamby “I feel left behind” stuff. Let’s really go for it – make people poorer whilst ensuring that billionaires are unaffected, destroy the NHS, give away our rights, promote white supremicism and stoke social division, censor universities and the press, use the justice system to persecute opponents of the regime and let our daily lives be run by an amoral narcissist. After all, it’s an approach that’s working out SO well for left-behind Americans.
DaenerysTartGuardian on
Don’t worry though, Brexit is going to fix everything any day now! Any day now…
Agile-Day-2103 on
Who would’ve guessed that 14 years of Tory rule and lining the wealthy elites’ pockets at the expense of the average man would bring about decline?
jtrimm98 on
14 years of Tories and Brexit. Makes sense to me. Hopefully we are turning a corner now
Fred776 on
People _voted_ for decline in 2016. I heard people repeatedly say that they didn’t care if the country was worse off as long as we were “in control”. Obviously this isn’t the only problem over the last couple of decades but when people are happy to vote for something that unequivocally is going to have a net negative impact on the economy it makes me feel like I just can’t be arsed any more.
Team-Name on
40 years of neoliberalism and the resultant erosion of public services/the social safety net will do that to a country.
r_t_o on
Reckon voting consistently for neo-liberal policies for 40 years straight might have something to do with it. Now the UK is in an apathetic, political tail spin.
Ground down and worn out, but we’ll pay more for it.
OkMap3209 on
Did not seem that damning when used for the last decade or two. Why is it damning now?
AfternoonChoice6405 on
I wish they would ignore me tbh… being actively targetted isn’t fun
atmoscentric on
That so many people feel unheard after so many years of wilful neglect is understandable but to then pivot towards blind extremism of blaming immigration for all the ills is nothing more than ‘if I can’t get it then the world can literally burn’. Labour indeed must come with their own views and solutions instead of mimicking the far right in the hope to stop people from voting reform. Other countries have clearly shown that this tactic *will* fail.
darkwolf687 on
Yeah decades of austerity, decay, corruption, short sightedness and plundering by the wealthy will do that to you!
MrPuddington2 on
Yes, that is what people voted for, right? “Rationing, like in the good old days”.
AllahsNutsack on
We even managed to lose territory during peacetime yesterday, so can anyone really blame people for holding this outlook?
__bobbysox on
Well when the media consistently pushes that narrative for decades, that’s what happens.
Locke66 on
Tbh it feels like the UK is stuck with too many limiting factors. Political polarisation, lack of a defining national vision, lack of belief in government, high national debt, large but politically powerful retired generation, lack of free trade with it’s nearest neighbours, squeezed housing market, troubled jobs market, high level of immigration necessary for the economy, low birth rate, depleted natural resources, legacy of privatisation leading to massive under investment in essential services, large level of inequality etc.
Anything the government does has so many limiting factors on it and harsh political consequences regardless of what it is. It’s not a recipe for success.
Cynical_Classicist on
And the person we should mainly blame is the person that the media is bigging up as the next PM. Farage should be getting constantly called out over Brexit, instead of Laura K nodding along to his lies in interviews and Janice Turner printing out how wonderful he is when she’s taking a brief break from transphobia.
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> And, in the landmark report, the influential groups are calling on Sir Keir Starmer to take the fight to Reform UK with a radical programme to rebuild local communities – not by seeking to ape Nigel Farage on immigration.
Why not just do both, get a handle on immigration so that each new immigrant is a net gain on the economy and then also rebuild local communities.
It isn’t either/or.
So we will vote for a party that will make the decline so much more rapid!
Another cheery optimistic headline from our wonderful media
I’m on the central line right now for the first time in ages and the carriages are literally fucked – graffiti everywhere and broken glass. So yeah I support this. 14 years of Tory decay.
I have said it before, and I suppose I shall say it again.
The only reason Britain clings to it’s history as much as it does in recent decades is because it’s the only thing that stays the same value or improves. Everything else is always getting worse.
Sounds like a daft solution proposed by people who don’t want to listen to what the public have told them.
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Why not stop blaming immigrants and blame the actual people in power for the past *checks notes* 14 years?
Nah let’s reward them and vote for them.
The UK is a better place than most countries, however it could be so much better and it feels like we never recovered from the 2008 financial crisis, let alone the effects of Brexit and COVID.N Immigration has not helped but it is just another factor that has contributed to our decline. Frankly, native Brits are equally to blame due to lack of community pride and tall poppy syndrome. It is like a sizeable proportion do not want anything nice and certainly do not want others to have it either.
I like to think you Brits have come a long way since 800 AD. It could always be worse and you could have been fucked from the start
Well yeah, we’ve been in a state of managed decline for two decades now. It’s hardly “damning” when it was the explicit policy goals of the Tories for 15 years and also for Starmer’s labour party. Unless we’re just supposed to pretend that nobody in the media had any clue what either the Tories or labour were doing in all that time.
Vote Reform for REAL decline. None of your namby-pamby “I feel left behind” stuff. Let’s really go for it – make people poorer whilst ensuring that billionaires are unaffected, destroy the NHS, give away our rights, promote white supremicism and stoke social division, censor universities and the press, use the justice system to persecute opponents of the regime and let our daily lives be run by an amoral narcissist. After all, it’s an approach that’s working out SO well for left-behind Americans.
Don’t worry though, Brexit is going to fix everything any day now! Any day now…
Who would’ve guessed that 14 years of Tory rule and lining the wealthy elites’ pockets at the expense of the average man would bring about decline?
14 years of Tories and Brexit. Makes sense to me. Hopefully we are turning a corner now
People _voted_ for decline in 2016. I heard people repeatedly say that they didn’t care if the country was worse off as long as we were “in control”. Obviously this isn’t the only problem over the last couple of decades but when people are happy to vote for something that unequivocally is going to have a net negative impact on the economy it makes me feel like I just can’t be arsed any more.
40 years of neoliberalism and the resultant erosion of public services/the social safety net will do that to a country.
Reckon voting consistently for neo-liberal policies for 40 years straight might have something to do with it. Now the UK is in an apathetic, political tail spin.
Ground down and worn out, but we’ll pay more for it.
Did not seem that damning when used for the last decade or two. Why is it damning now?
I wish they would ignore me tbh… being actively targetted isn’t fun
That so many people feel unheard after so many years of wilful neglect is understandable but to then pivot towards blind extremism of blaming immigration for all the ills is nothing more than ‘if I can’t get it then the world can literally burn’. Labour indeed must come with their own views and solutions instead of mimicking the far right in the hope to stop people from voting reform. Other countries have clearly shown that this tactic *will* fail.
Yeah decades of austerity, decay, corruption, short sightedness and plundering by the wealthy will do that to you!
Yes, that is what people voted for, right? “Rationing, like in the good old days”.
We even managed to lose territory during peacetime yesterday, so can anyone really blame people for holding this outlook?
Well when the media consistently pushes that narrative for decades, that’s what happens.
Tbh it feels like the UK is stuck with too many limiting factors. Political polarisation, lack of a defining national vision, lack of belief in government, high national debt, large but politically powerful retired generation, lack of free trade with it’s nearest neighbours, squeezed housing market, troubled jobs market, high level of immigration necessary for the economy, low birth rate, depleted natural resources, legacy of privatisation leading to massive under investment in essential services, large level of inequality etc.
Anything the government does has so many limiting factors on it and harsh political consequences regardless of what it is. It’s not a recipe for success.
And the person we should mainly blame is the person that the media is bigging up as the next PM. Farage should be getting constantly called out over Brexit, instead of Laura K nodding along to his lies in interviews and Janice Turner printing out how wonderful he is when she’s taking a brief break from transphobia.