Populist Reform UK, says the US citizen who comes from a dictatorship.
Alive-Turnip-3145 on
I have no issue with changing the rules however it shouldn’t be retrospective.
As it stands, each 2.5 year visa including IHS is £3,880. So a skilled worker would have paid £7,600 for 5 years then a further £3,000 for ILR for a total of £10,600. For a family of 4 (wife and two kids) that’s £40,000 on top the same taxes we all pay NI, Income Tax, VAT, etc. There is also another £2000 fee after ILR to become a citizen if desired.
Extending it out to 10 years pushes the price to £15,360 for an individual and £61,440 for a family. That of course presumes no further prices increases which seem likely over a 10 year period.
The UK government is welcome to make UK as unappealing as it likes. Talent will go elsewhere. However many have already come here with the understanding of a 5 year route costing ~£16,000.
I get the government is desperate to tax and spend. However treating minorities as cash machines is disgusting. British values are built on fairness. Changing the rules half way through to raise extra cash is morally wrong.
Right_East8072 on
Just to add my two cents – high paid skilled workers are exactly what we want more of in the UK because they pay enormous amounts of tax at rates of as much as 47%. All the while having limited access to public funds.
Because their visa is tied to their skilled job, they risk being deported if sacked and unable to find another one in very quick succession (this could be completely out of their control in times of restructuring etc.)
When the ILR period was 5 years they saw this as tolerable risk but now it may be extended to 10 years they see the risk as too great. Imagine being here for 8 years (paying loads of tax during that time), starting a family only to get sacked and deported.
Agitated-Kale8690 on
As long as the job says in the country this is a good thing surely?
Lostman07 on
Lol, high paid workers will just leave if this happens because they have options. The people that can’t leave will hunker down and lead to more social fractures. The issue is not with migrants, “benefit moochers” or even AI replacing the work force. The problem is the transfer of wealth from the masses to the selective ruling classes and them blaming it on the vulnerable.
AlpsSad1364 on
Controversial opinion here: maybe immigration isn’t actually bad and what we’re experiencing is a media driven episode of moral panic/mass hysteria.
Remember when the grey goo was going to eat us all? Or when music with repetitive beats was corrupting the youth?
k3nn3h on
As a highly-developed country with an advanced, service-based economy & oodles of “soft power”, we were in the perfect position to attract high-quality immigrants to boost our output and improve our country. Instead, we’ve been governed by the open-borders crew—who decided that what we needed was to pay millions of no-skill, no-job third worlders to occupy our homes and rape our children, while taxing actually productive immigrants as much as possible. It’s utterly shameful.
A worker and his company pay up to £13204 over 5 years excluding visa application and legal fees to get to ILR. For a family of 4 this becomes £35226. We have zero complaints, this is what we signed up for.
All we ask is the rules are not applied retrospectively. If the government fears that the first thing we’ll do post getting ILR is jump onto benefits, please just remove the access to benefits for anyone applying for ILR from this point on. I can assure you no high earning Skilled Worker immigrant will be remotely concerned by this. We only want the sense of stability and belonging + complete access to the UK job market that ILR brings.
I’ve spent the last two weeks nervous, anxious, exhausted. From planning to look for houses and maybe starting a family, my partner and I have frantically switched to researching which countries we can move to because asking us to stick around for 5 more years on a visa is unfair and erodes any trust in the government. It also sets a dangerous precedent where they can apply any rule retrospectively (unlikely to do it to citizens who can vote, but can’t be ruled out if this goes through).
Puzzleheaded_Hat5235 on
80k salary or something for 5 years should qualify for 5 year route, under gets 10 years.
I’d remove ILR for anyone earning under 40k
merryman1 on
I’ve genuinely never known an issue to be so ridiculously muddled and confusing as attitudes towards immigration in this country. I honestly just wish people would fucking give over and stop talking about it for a while. You’d think there are no other issues affecting the country if you average out newspaper headlines for the last 10 years.
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Populist Reform UK, says the US citizen who comes from a dictatorship.
I have no issue with changing the rules however it shouldn’t be retrospective.
As it stands, each 2.5 year visa including IHS is £3,880. So a skilled worker would have paid £7,600 for 5 years then a further £3,000 for ILR for a total of £10,600. For a family of 4 (wife and two kids) that’s £40,000 on top the same taxes we all pay NI, Income Tax, VAT, etc. There is also another £2000 fee after ILR to become a citizen if desired.
Extending it out to 10 years pushes the price to £15,360 for an individual and £61,440 for a family. That of course presumes no further prices increases which seem likely over a 10 year period.
The UK government is welcome to make UK as unappealing as it likes. Talent will go elsewhere. However many have already come here with the understanding of a 5 year route costing ~£16,000.
I get the government is desperate to tax and spend. However treating minorities as cash machines is disgusting. British values are built on fairness. Changing the rules half way through to raise extra cash is morally wrong.
Just to add my two cents – high paid skilled workers are exactly what we want more of in the UK because they pay enormous amounts of tax at rates of as much as 47%. All the while having limited access to public funds.
Because their visa is tied to their skilled job, they risk being deported if sacked and unable to find another one in very quick succession (this could be completely out of their control in times of restructuring etc.)
When the ILR period was 5 years they saw this as tolerable risk but now it may be extended to 10 years they see the risk as too great. Imagine being here for 8 years (paying loads of tax during that time), starting a family only to get sacked and deported.
As long as the job says in the country this is a good thing surely?
Lol, high paid workers will just leave if this happens because they have options. The people that can’t leave will hunker down and lead to more social fractures. The issue is not with migrants, “benefit moochers” or even AI replacing the work force. The problem is the transfer of wealth from the masses to the selective ruling classes and them blaming it on the vulnerable.
Controversial opinion here: maybe immigration isn’t actually bad and what we’re experiencing is a media driven episode of moral panic/mass hysteria.
Remember when the grey goo was going to eat us all? Or when music with repetitive beats was corrupting the youth?
As a highly-developed country with an advanced, service-based economy & oodles of “soft power”, we were in the perfect position to attract high-quality immigrants to boost our output and improve our country. Instead, we’ve been governed by the open-borders crew—who decided that what we needed was to pay millions of no-skill, no-job third worlders to occupy our homes and rape our children, while taxing actually productive immigrants as much as possible. It’s utterly shameful.
[Petition if you believe retrospectively applying this law is unfair](https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/727360)
A worker and his company pay up to £13204 over 5 years excluding visa application and legal fees to get to ILR. For a family of 4 this becomes £35226. We have zero complaints, this is what we signed up for.
All we ask is the rules are not applied retrospectively. If the government fears that the first thing we’ll do post getting ILR is jump onto benefits, please just remove the access to benefits for anyone applying for ILR from this point on. I can assure you no high earning Skilled Worker immigrant will be remotely concerned by this. We only want the sense of stability and belonging + complete access to the UK job market that ILR brings.
I’ve spent the last two weeks nervous, anxious, exhausted. From planning to look for houses and maybe starting a family, my partner and I have frantically switched to researching which countries we can move to because asking us to stick around for 5 more years on a visa is unfair and erodes any trust in the government. It also sets a dangerous precedent where they can apply any rule retrospectively (unlikely to do it to citizens who can vote, but can’t be ruled out if this goes through).
80k salary or something for 5 years should qualify for 5 year route, under gets 10 years.
I’d remove ILR for anyone earning under 40k
I’ve genuinely never known an issue to be so ridiculously muddled and confusing as attitudes towards immigration in this country. I honestly just wish people would fucking give over and stop talking about it for a while. You’d think there are no other issues affecting the country if you average out newspaper headlines for the last 10 years.