I wonder if this will be the year that kicking the can down the road over council funding finally fails, and we see a whole flood of councils going bust.
tigerjed on
To put it into perspective it often costs over 2k a week to provide the provisions for a single child. That’s an entire years worth of council tax for a Band D property in Bristol (of the amount of tax which goes to the council), to pay for one week of provision.
That’s before adult care is even talked about. The whole thing is in the verge of collapse.
External-Piccolo-626 on
I’ve started a part time job working for a company that provides for SEND children, and others who are outside school provisions, and it costs a lot. I can see why these bills would stack up quickly, and it’ll probably only get worse with more and more children being diagnosed.
wkavinsky on
Once again, a council is going to go bankrupt due to costs that were shifted onto them by the Tories.
Shameful, and Labour should just get these deficits and overhangs eliminated to get councils onto a solid footing – as well as reversing the “this is now a local rather than central cost” so that they can get back to what they are there for – providing local services to council tax payers.
*In August 2010 Pickles unexpectedly announced the closure of the Audit Commission for England and Wales. The commission had overseen the appointment of independent external auditors for local authorities, and supported audit work to ensure value for money and the certification of Councils’ financial accounts*
xParesh on
Many councils and universities are close to imploding with their debt.
The fiscal can has been kicked as far as it can be and the chickens might finally be coming home to roost
k3nn3h on
In my view, stories like this come from the confluence of two main factors.
Firstly, there is a tendency in the UK to make indefinite spending commitments based on initial estimates, with no limits or recourse in place for when those limits are exceeded. We committed to per-person spending for PIP as estimates showed it would reduce disability benefit spending; when applicants exceeded estimates and costs spiralled out of control we could do nothing to stop it. We committed to giving asylum seekers accommodation based on low estimated inflows; when those flows increased we had no choice but to fulfil our legal obligations and spend billions to put them in hotels. Likewise with SEND—we made our service/spending commitments based on small numbers of deserving children; when the number of children who qualified increased we had no choice but to ramp up the spending to match.
The second factor is the cultural third-worldification of the UK—the general degradation of social trust in particular. In a world where I trust my neighbours and believe their child is disabled, I’m happy for them to get special support. In a world where I know their kid is fine but the government is still giving them a private taxi to school and double time in exams, I’d be a total mug to spend my time driving my own kid to school, and a bad parent not to give them similar educational advantages. Our (ever-accelerating) shift towards an ethnically segregated society exacerbates this problem.
Both of these factors interact to make things even worse, of course! Unlimited welfare spending commitments might be okay in a world where trust and shame and mutual support limits the number of recipients; exploitative and antisocial behaviour might be okay in a world where spending is capped; together they’re a recipe for disaster!
macrolidesrule on
Why has SEND rocketed up in demand? Is there a real increase due to cause x (or y or z- which would need investigation – or are people playing the system?
limaconnect77 on
It’s got to be a sweet although bizarre gig doing the accounting work for these entities. Training says the numbers have to balance but there’s people ‘upstairs’ passively aggressively insisting that everything’s just alright.
Anywho, let’s keep rinsing plebs for council tax that ‘we’ will just piss away.
CatCalledTurbo on
So what would *actually* happen if a council goes tits up?
A business or person would get debt collectors and bailiffs round to break their legs and take all their stuff.
Councils are more “important” than a singular person or private business so they’d surely need to still run at some capacity, so repossessing all their equipment and sacking staff doesn’t seem like an option?
iamezekiel1_14 on
It’s the wrong answer but the override needs to be extended or otherwise the taxpayer is going to be bailing out 50%+ of the Councils in the country at the end of the Financial Year as 114s start hitting left right and centre.
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I wonder if this will be the year that kicking the can down the road over council funding finally fails, and we see a whole flood of councils going bust.
To put it into perspective it often costs over 2k a week to provide the provisions for a single child. That’s an entire years worth of council tax for a Band D property in Bristol (of the amount of tax which goes to the council), to pay for one week of provision.
That’s before adult care is even talked about. The whole thing is in the verge of collapse.
I’ve started a part time job working for a company that provides for SEND children, and others who are outside school provisions, and it costs a lot. I can see why these bills would stack up quickly, and it’ll probably only get worse with more and more children being diagnosed.
Once again, a council is going to go bankrupt due to costs that were shifted onto them by the Tories.
Shameful, and Labour should just get these deficits and overhangs eliminated to get councils onto a solid footing – as well as reversing the “this is now a local rather than central cost” so that they can get back to what they are there for – providing local services to council tax payers.
[Whoops](https://www.gov.uk/government/news/eric-pickles-to-disband-audit-commission-in-new-era-of-town-hall-transparency).
*In August 2010 Pickles unexpectedly announced the closure of the Audit Commission for England and Wales. The commission had overseen the appointment of independent external auditors for local authorities, and supported audit work to ensure value for money and the certification of Councils’ financial accounts*
Many councils and universities are close to imploding with their debt.
The fiscal can has been kicked as far as it can be and the chickens might finally be coming home to roost
In my view, stories like this come from the confluence of two main factors.
Firstly, there is a tendency in the UK to make indefinite spending commitments based on initial estimates, with no limits or recourse in place for when those limits are exceeded. We committed to per-person spending for PIP as estimates showed it would reduce disability benefit spending; when applicants exceeded estimates and costs spiralled out of control we could do nothing to stop it. We committed to giving asylum seekers accommodation based on low estimated inflows; when those flows increased we had no choice but to fulfil our legal obligations and spend billions to put them in hotels. Likewise with SEND—we made our service/spending commitments based on small numbers of deserving children; when the number of children who qualified increased we had no choice but to ramp up the spending to match.
The second factor is the cultural third-worldification of the UK—the general degradation of social trust in particular. In a world where I trust my neighbours and believe their child is disabled, I’m happy for them to get special support. In a world where I know their kid is fine but the government is still giving them a private taxi to school and double time in exams, I’d be a total mug to spend my time driving my own kid to school, and a bad parent not to give them similar educational advantages. Our (ever-accelerating) shift towards an ethnically segregated society exacerbates this problem.
Both of these factors interact to make things even worse, of course! Unlimited welfare spending commitments might be okay in a world where trust and shame and mutual support limits the number of recipients; exploitative and antisocial behaviour might be okay in a world where spending is capped; together they’re a recipe for disaster!
Why has SEND rocketed up in demand? Is there a real increase due to cause x (or y or z- which would need investigation – or are people playing the system?
It’s got to be a sweet although bizarre gig doing the accounting work for these entities. Training says the numbers have to balance but there’s people ‘upstairs’ passively aggressively insisting that everything’s just alright.
Anywho, let’s keep rinsing plebs for council tax that ‘we’ will just piss away.
So what would *actually* happen if a council goes tits up?
A business or person would get debt collectors and bailiffs round to break their legs and take all their stuff.
Councils are more “important” than a singular person or private business so they’d surely need to still run at some capacity, so repossessing all their equipment and sacking staff doesn’t seem like an option?
It’s the wrong answer but the override needs to be extended or otherwise the taxpayer is going to be bailing out 50%+ of the Councils in the country at the end of the Financial Year as 114s start hitting left right and centre.