>The data, drawn from the police national computer, shows that foreign nationals were concited of 2,500 of the 16,771 sexual offences – where a nationality was known – between 2021 and 2023.
This is inherently biased. Nationality is not commonly recorded by the police, and often only recorded if it’s relevant to the crime or evidence of immigration status (therefore deportation order may be placed down). Further extrapolating this to a “crime per capita” analysis, especially when compare to crime per British citizen (which ignores the reality of dual nationals), is fundamentally flawed.
SchmingusBingus on
If the figures are already released, what exactly is there to cover up?
Sensitive_Echo5058 on
“Afghans and Eritreans are 20 times more likely to be convicted of a sexual offence than a British citizen, that Congolese nationals are almost 12 times more likely to be convicted of a violent crime.”
“At the same time, German, Indian, and American nationals are less likely to be convicted of a crime”.
Ultimately, what we need is data that can predict from which countries are people more or less likely to assimilate into British culture and standards of behaviour. I’d be all for reducing immigration from countries who score high on the ‘crime league tables’.
merryman1 on
Isn’t he being urged not to cover it up by the same people who when in government spent several years covering it up?
xParesh on
I think data could be useful to outright ban some nationalities coming in. Other countries are either doing it or considering it. It will make the country statistically safer.
Admirable-Usual1387 on
I’m so sick of them lying and gaslighting. Lying about figures. Gaslighting calling protestors far right racists.
Fix the problem.
socratic-meth on
> The data, drawn from the police national computer, shows that foreign nationals were concited of 2,500 of the 16,771 sexual offences – where a nationality was known – between 2021 and 2023.
> “I am proposing a law change to force the release of the full facts about migrant crime and end the cover up.”
Robert Jenrick is a hypocritical cunt, these crime stats are from when his party was in power, and most of the immigrants he is complaining about would have come in under their watch.
Alive-Turnip-3145 on
> At the same time, German, Indian and Americans are less likely to be convicted of a crime
I’m sure Jenrick, Farage and ~~BNP~~, ~~UKIP~~, Reform lot will make therefore create a nuanced policy instead of painting all immigrants as criminals, demand closed borders and try to revoke citizenship of hardworking taxpayers.
VictoriouslyAviation on
I really think we need maths people to weigh in here.
I’ll begrudgingly take Reforms disgusting claims if maths people say they are true based on multiple metrics but I just don’t believe them.
Maths folks?
s0ulcontr0l on
Am I the only one who’d rather live next to an immigrant than a racist? Sick and tired of this narrative already.
DaveBeBad on
Roughly 17% of the British population live in social housing. The number of Somalis is above the normal level and could be addressed through training schemes to get them into work – but given the state of the country they fled it isn’t surprising that they are poor and can’t afford to buy or rent privately.
I’m sure you’d agree it would be productive to invest in that community to help it to thrive.
Main-Entrepreneur841 on
Could it be perhaps because releasing this data would vindicate those in society who have been warning about disproportionate migrant crime for years – only to be labelled ‘far-right’ and ‘racist’ for doing so. The data will tell a different story.
ghrrrrowl on
Denmark has been releasing crime by “country of origin” for years. Just go google it. It’s interesting reading, and interesting they have been publishing it for decades already.
ThatGuyMaulicious on
Almost like we should screen or outright ban those who come from certain places. But no that would be way too sensible of Labour to do.
Northman061 on
Import the third world, show no political desire to deport or act against imported criminals and eventually they begin to push the envelope and become emboldened by our leaders cowardice.
ClacksInTheSky on
Such bullshit. They had no intention of covering anything up
limeflavoured on
If the figures are being released then by definition he’s not covering them up, is he?
much_good on
If you’re going to use data to draw up immigration rules, you have to be a lot more indepth than just country of origin to really be fair
CheesyLala on
Is it just me who finds Jenrick the most shallow, performative and hypocritical prick of the entire fucking lot of them?
1-randomonium on
Starmer actually releases the migrant crime figures the last Tory government wouldn’t and *this* is the response he gets?
South_Leek_5730 on
Reform propaganda people without simple logic love to swallow and then regurgitate everywhere further pushing the reform agenda.
Let’s look at some logic.
“The rates, based on convictions per 10,000 of the population put Afghans, with 77 convictions, at the top with a rate of 59 per 10,000 – 22.3 times that of Britons.”
Are we going ignore the 9,941 per 10,000 that don’t commit sexual offences? As a % 59 would be 0.59%.
What would you want the government to do here? Do you want them to ban all Afghans even though 99.41% don’t commit these offences? Do you want the Police to spend extra resources on 77 people out of the 16,771 offences committed? Which 0.45% of all offences. Do you think that will bring down those crime numbers?
Do you not think that’s a bit stupid?
When are people going to realise this is a trash metric with the goal of pushing reform into power and distracting you from the real issues in society?
Zealousideal_Fold_60 on
This should be no 1 in his in-tray, the electorate will not forgive him if he just pushes this aside like everything else on immigration
knitscones on
The Express!
Bombshell!
Great for a Friday laugh!
Connor123x on
If studies are done without Bias – Facts aren’t racists. If people do not like the facts, then work to change those facts, not suppress them.
Suppressing them, only ensures the problems will never be fixed.
Postdiluvian27 on
If we’re all open to profiling, it looks like sex is strongly correlated with crime.
IgneousJam on
If only the previous government hadn’t created a de facto open door immigration policy, despite pretending they were doing the opposite at the time … which party was that, again?
no_fooling on
You knows who’s more likely to commit crime? Poor people. Most migrants are poor and even more so when they aren’t given the right to work and make their own money. Look under the surface a bit more than “brown folk bad, other cultures violent”
bobblebob100 on
Guess its another day, another article to hate foreigners. Amazing how peoples opinions are swayed by the media narrative
woodchiponthewall on
Oh look it’s that thing that everyone said wasn’t a thing, despite it being repeated throughout the world.
No_Assistance_14 on
This is a concerning read. Very simply put, I don’t think we should accept migrants from certain countries. Seeing how many crimes are disproportionately committed by certain nationalities, there should be a blanket ban
Soundtones on
No one is surprised are they, by these figures
Fuckin shocking
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>The data, drawn from the police national computer, shows that foreign nationals were concited of 2,500 of the 16,771 sexual offences – where a nationality was known – between 2021 and 2023.
This is inherently biased. Nationality is not commonly recorded by the police, and often only recorded if it’s relevant to the crime or evidence of immigration status (therefore deportation order may be placed down). Further extrapolating this to a “crime per capita” analysis, especially when compare to crime per British citizen (which ignores the reality of dual nationals), is fundamentally flawed.
If the figures are already released, what exactly is there to cover up?
“Afghans and Eritreans are 20 times more likely to be convicted of a sexual offence than a British citizen, that Congolese nationals are almost 12 times more likely to be convicted of a violent crime.”
“At the same time, German, Indian, and American nationals are less likely to be convicted of a crime”.
Ultimately, what we need is data that can predict from which countries are people more or less likely to assimilate into British culture and standards of behaviour. I’d be all for reducing immigration from countries who score high on the ‘crime league tables’.
Isn’t he being urged not to cover it up by the same people who when in government spent several years covering it up?
I think data could be useful to outright ban some nationalities coming in. Other countries are either doing it or considering it. It will make the country statistically safer.
I’m so sick of them lying and gaslighting. Lying about figures. Gaslighting calling protestors far right racists.
Fix the problem.
> The data, drawn from the police national computer, shows that foreign nationals were concited of 2,500 of the 16,771 sexual offences – where a nationality was known – between 2021 and 2023.
> “I am proposing a law change to force the release of the full facts about migrant crime and end the cover up.”
Robert Jenrick is a hypocritical cunt, these crime stats are from when his party was in power, and most of the immigrants he is complaining about would have come in under their watch.
> At the same time, German, Indian and Americans are less likely to be convicted of a crime
I’m sure Jenrick, Farage and ~~BNP~~, ~~UKIP~~, Reform lot will make therefore create a nuanced policy instead of painting all immigrants as criminals, demand closed borders and try to revoke citizenship of hardworking taxpayers.
I really think we need maths people to weigh in here.
I’ll begrudgingly take Reforms disgusting claims if maths people say they are true based on multiple metrics but I just don’t believe them.
Maths folks?
Am I the only one who’d rather live next to an immigrant than a racist? Sick and tired of this narrative already.
Roughly 17% of the British population live in social housing. The number of Somalis is above the normal level and could be addressed through training schemes to get them into work – but given the state of the country they fled it isn’t surprising that they are poor and can’t afford to buy or rent privately.
I’m sure you’d agree it would be productive to invest in that community to help it to thrive.
Could it be perhaps because releasing this data would vindicate those in society who have been warning about disproportionate migrant crime for years – only to be labelled ‘far-right’ and ‘racist’ for doing so. The data will tell a different story.
Denmark has been releasing crime by “country of origin” for years. Just go google it. It’s interesting reading, and interesting they have been publishing it for decades already.
Almost like we should screen or outright ban those who come from certain places. But no that would be way too sensible of Labour to do.
Import the third world, show no political desire to deport or act against imported criminals and eventually they begin to push the envelope and become emboldened by our leaders cowardice.
Such bullshit. They had no intention of covering anything up
If the figures are being released then by definition he’s not covering them up, is he?
If you’re going to use data to draw up immigration rules, you have to be a lot more indepth than just country of origin to really be fair
Is it just me who finds Jenrick the most shallow, performative and hypocritical prick of the entire fucking lot of them?
Starmer actually releases the migrant crime figures the last Tory government wouldn’t and *this* is the response he gets?
Reform propaganda people without simple logic love to swallow and then regurgitate everywhere further pushing the reform agenda.
Let’s look at some logic.
“The rates, based on convictions per 10,000 of the population put Afghans, with 77 convictions, at the top with a rate of 59 per 10,000 – 22.3 times that of Britons.”
Are we going ignore the 9,941 per 10,000 that don’t commit sexual offences? As a % 59 would be 0.59%.
What would you want the government to do here? Do you want them to ban all Afghans even though 99.41% don’t commit these offences? Do you want the Police to spend extra resources on 77 people out of the 16,771 offences committed? Which 0.45% of all offences. Do you think that will bring down those crime numbers?
Do you not think that’s a bit stupid?
When are people going to realise this is a trash metric with the goal of pushing reform into power and distracting you from the real issues in society?
This should be no 1 in his in-tray, the electorate will not forgive him if he just pushes this aside like everything else on immigration
The Express!
Bombshell!
Great for a Friday laugh!
If studies are done without Bias – Facts aren’t racists. If people do not like the facts, then work to change those facts, not suppress them.
Suppressing them, only ensures the problems will never be fixed.
If we’re all open to profiling, it looks like sex is strongly correlated with crime.
If only the previous government hadn’t created a de facto open door immigration policy, despite pretending they were doing the opposite at the time … which party was that, again?
You knows who’s more likely to commit crime? Poor people. Most migrants are poor and even more so when they aren’t given the right to work and make their own money. Look under the surface a bit more than “brown folk bad, other cultures violent”
Guess its another day, another article to hate foreigners. Amazing how peoples opinions are swayed by the media narrative
Oh look it’s that thing that everyone said wasn’t a thing, despite it being repeated throughout the world.
This is a concerning read. Very simply put, I don’t think we should accept migrants from certain countries. Seeing how many crimes are disproportionately committed by certain nationalities, there should be a blanket ban
No one is surprised are they, by these figures
Fuckin shocking