La società potrebbe aver sopravvalutato il rischio di “manosfera”, affermano i ricercatori del Regno Unito

It’s definitely a thing but I think they’re also pushing some teens over the edge into it by being so on the nose about the evils of men

Self fulfilling prophecy

For those unaware, he manosphere refers to people like Andrew Tate, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson.

>The Ofcom study involved 38 men, and more misogynistic men may have declined to take part. Some potential recruits refused to take part, considering the government-appointed regulator to be part of the “mainstream”. Perhaps the most impressionable group, boys under 16, were also not included.

The sampling here is not great… imagine trying to do a crime survey with only 38 people and without criminals.

I dislike the manosphere for my own personal reasons, however most people I see online that dislike it literally do not articulate why they hate it and just resort to calling people who watch it “incels” which actually pushes them further away and strengthens their views.

A study of *38* people. Why the fuck is the Guardian even reporting on this?

Under 16s were excluded. What is the point of this study if it excludes the societal group that is most susceptible to propaganda? 

I think one of the biggest reasons Andrew Tate has become so popular, especially among young men, is because mainstream media has completely gutted all the strong traditional male archetypes. powerful, stoic, flawed but commanding characters that young men used to look to, either consciously or subconsciously, as examples of masculine identity.

These days, that kind of male character has all but vanished. The archetypal power fantasy male figure, whether hero or villain, is now considered too problematic for the screen. But people forget, these were not endorsements. They were stories, often with built-in moral arcs and consequences.

Take Clarence Boddicker from Robocop for instance. The infamous line, Bitches leave, is a perfect example. It is raw, aggressive, and yes, absolutely a male power fantasy. He has authority, he commands attention, he is surrounded by danger, sex, violence, it is a distilled version of that narcissistic male energy. But here is the crucial point, he gets what is coming to him. The film does not glorify him, it warns us through him. It is satire. It is storytelling. It shows where that kind of ego and unchecked power leads. There is a lesson in it. But it is still allowed to portray the fantasy.

That sort of storytelling has been stripped away. We no longer get a full picture, flawed masculine characters who rise, fall, grow, or fail. Instead, we get neutered male leads, comic reliefs, or emotionless action figures who feel written by committee. Either that, or we get stoic archetypes like Keanu Reeves as John Wick, but even he is more of a symbol of grief and endurance than an aspirational male figure.

Oddly enough, actresses like Charlize Theron in Mad Max or Lena Headey in Game of Thrones have carried more classically male archetypes in recent years than most of their male co-stars.

So what happens, young men, desperate for structure, identity, and examples, end up gravitating toward someone like Andrew Tate. Because like it or not, he presents the kind of unfiltered masculine identity that used to exist in fiction. He is not apologising. He speaks with certainty. He gives young men rules, direction, a sense of worth, even if the message is deeply flawed or delivered in a toxic wrapper.

That does not mean he is the answer. But it does mean he is filling a void. You cannot remove all the male archetypes from stories, from culture, from conversations, and then act surprised when people latch onto the only one still shouting.

If society wants young men to look elsewhere, it needs to give them somewhere else to look. Bring back strong, complex, flawed male characters. Give them arcs, give them consequences, but most of all, give them presence. Boys need stories to grow from, just like everyone else. Right now, they are getting silence. Or Tate.

Yeah whiny men whining they can’t get women isnt that big of a deal

The manosphere is like anything, it’s exists on a spectrum.

Some of the stuff is right. Some of it is wrong.

The extremes are very wrong.

I’ll happily admit it. I’m 34 and found the manosphere stuff when I was like 22. It made me way more successful with woman and way better at having relationships. But I was smart enough to find the right stuff and know what stuff was most extremism I needed to ignore. The red pill massively improve my life.

So the cabinet watched all those Adolescence episodes for nothing?

That report is from … 39 interviews. It was commissioned by a well placed right wing stooge to push a message. It’s totally unreliable

It’s the same as racism or classism if you grow up being told you’re the problem and everyone hates you you’re gonna grow up Hating everyone else and will side with anyone who tells you you’re not the problem