Yep. You want more involuntary deportations, they cost money. Most of it is the flight cost – average about €9.25k per deportee.
That’s a chartered outbound flight for 35 people + security personnel direct to Nigeria and back.
That doesn’t sound excessive.
Haleakala1998 on
Did they all fly 1st class or what?
Narwhal_2112 on
€500,000 wouldn’t cover the accommodation cost of 35 international protection applicants for 6 months, nevermind all the other ancillary costs.
So I wouldn’t consider the charter flight cost that excessive. Hopefully future flights can increase the numbers per flight to bring down average costs.
AbsolutelyDireWolf on
“Prison service figures showed 5,415 prisoners were in custody on Monday. The bed capacity is 4,665 – that means its operating at 117% capacity – in all of the prisons.”
For the folk clamouring for more prisons and cells, I get why, but can I just suggest people consider the following.
For an extra 200 capacity prison, Scotland are paying £200m.
200 prisoners at a 100k a year running cost per prisoner gives us an annual charge of €20m.
That’s a lot of money, say we spread that 200m over the next ten years, that’s 20m a year plus the running costs. 40m a year could do a lot. How about hiring and training 400 men to work as full time mentors working with at risk youths? Pay them well, 60k a year minimum and let them act as Big Brothers. 5 kids a piece say. So that’d be 2,000 kids a year getting constant support to help them escape the spirals they’re descending towards.
So here’s the thing, for commenters on this sub who want way more prison spaces, so you think sending an extra 200 youths to prison for a year will give us as a society, a better outcome than 400 mentors working with 2,000 kids who are already young offenders and helping them to recognise their patterns and change their life path? Would you rather we spend that money on a new prison or early intervention? It’s pretty clear I suspect where my preference lies but I’m interested in understanding the other side of this debate.
SoloWingPixy88 on
That including legal fees and current supports?
hoopla_poodle_noodle on
€500,000? They must’ve went absolutely wild on the duty free.
JONFER--- on
It’s a ridiculous expense. But still considerably cheaper to the taxpayer than if they were allowed to stay.
That’s very excessive, are the Healy Rae’s running the chartered planes or something?
jesusthatsgreat on
And no doubt 40 new asylum seekers came back on the return flight
Proper-Beyond116 on
This is a disgrace! Bloody immigrants! Coming over here and… leaving! They should… stay? So they can sponge off the state!? Not on my watch, they need to leave! but… Nigeria should pay for it and until they do, they have to stay here!
Sorted!
Wait.
the_sneaky_one123 on
How does it cost that much though??
Strict-Gap9062 on
Small price to pay. They would end up costing millions over their lifetimes.
Trabolgan on
It’s not just the cost of the flight. There’s also a tonne of admin work to do in advance.
For example, the Deportee says they’re from Country X, but they have no proof of that and Country X denies they’re a citizen. And you can’t leave people stateless.
So part of that figure is the investigation into their background to determine their true country.
In addition, they get money. Not a lot, just a small once-off payment so they don’t starve on the streets when they arrive. You can’t land a mother and two kids at an airport in, like, Sudan at 2am with only a tenner in their pockets, because that actually is kinda evil. And it’s standard practice in deportations.
Plus the flights are chartered, often not going to somewhere that the airport has a regular route with, etc etc. All adds up.
Wompish66 on
Actually enforcing our asylum laws will save a lot of money in the long run by deterring others. Nigerians have been the worst offenders in recent times.
iwillsure on
Do people have an issue with the cost of the deportations or with the deportation itself?
HonestRef on
Still a hell of a lot cheaper than being stuck with them.
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Yep. You want more involuntary deportations, they cost money. Most of it is the flight cost – average about €9.25k per deportee.
That’s a chartered outbound flight for 35 people + security personnel direct to Nigeria and back.
That doesn’t sound excessive.
Did they all fly 1st class or what?
€500,000 wouldn’t cover the accommodation cost of 35 international protection applicants for 6 months, nevermind all the other ancillary costs.
So I wouldn’t consider the charter flight cost that excessive. Hopefully future flights can increase the numbers per flight to bring down average costs.
“Prison service figures showed 5,415 prisoners were in custody on Monday. The bed capacity is 4,665 – that means its operating at 117% capacity – in all of the prisons.”
For the folk clamouring for more prisons and cells, I get why, but can I just suggest people consider the following.
For an extra 200 capacity prison, Scotland are paying £200m.
https://news.stv.tv/highlands-islands/inside-site-of-scotlands-newest-prison-thats-years-late-and-four-times-over-budget
200 prisoners at a 100k a year running cost per prisoner gives us an annual charge of €20m.
That’s a lot of money, say we spread that 200m over the next ten years, that’s 20m a year plus the running costs. 40m a year could do a lot. How about hiring and training 400 men to work as full time mentors working with at risk youths? Pay them well, 60k a year minimum and let them act as Big Brothers. 5 kids a piece say. So that’d be 2,000 kids a year getting constant support to help them escape the spirals they’re descending towards.
So here’s the thing, for commenters on this sub who want way more prison spaces, so you think sending an extra 200 youths to prison for a year will give us as a society, a better outcome than 400 mentors working with 2,000 kids who are already young offenders and helping them to recognise their patterns and change their life path? Would you rather we spend that money on a new prison or early intervention? It’s pretty clear I suspect where my preference lies but I’m interested in understanding the other side of this debate.
That including legal fees and current supports?
€500,000? They must’ve went absolutely wild on the duty free.
It’s a ridiculous expense. But still considerably cheaper to the taxpayer than if they were allowed to stay.
https://preview.redd.it/b1ma7akv9i7f1.png?width=794&format=png&auto=webp&s=e8788e5370ab55a7b1641c15b1812e6a8f5ea1cc
Great, more to come
That’s very excessive, are the Healy Rae’s running the chartered planes or something?
And no doubt 40 new asylum seekers came back on the return flight
This is a disgrace! Bloody immigrants! Coming over here and… leaving! They should… stay? So they can sponge off the state!? Not on my watch, they need to leave! but… Nigeria should pay for it and until they do, they have to stay here!
Sorted!
Wait.
How does it cost that much though??
Small price to pay. They would end up costing millions over their lifetimes.
It’s not just the cost of the flight. There’s also a tonne of admin work to do in advance.
For example, the Deportee says they’re from Country X, but they have no proof of that and Country X denies they’re a citizen. And you can’t leave people stateless.
So part of that figure is the investigation into their background to determine their true country.
In addition, they get money. Not a lot, just a small once-off payment so they don’t starve on the streets when they arrive. You can’t land a mother and two kids at an airport in, like, Sudan at 2am with only a tenner in their pockets, because that actually is kinda evil. And it’s standard practice in deportations.
Plus the flights are chartered, often not going to somewhere that the airport has a regular route with, etc etc. All adds up.
Actually enforcing our asylum laws will save a lot of money in the long run by deterring others. Nigerians have been the worst offenders in recent times.
Do people have an issue with the cost of the deportations or with the deportation itself?
Still a hell of a lot cheaper than being stuck with them.