“Ho fatto domanda per 647 posti di lavoro dopo l’università fino a quando non ne ho preso uno”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clygj739dmvo
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“Ho fatto domanda per 647 posti di lavoro dopo l’università fino a quando non ne ho preso uno”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clygj739dmvo
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I know people with good degrees in similar situations. Basically no company wants to train anyone and offshores enter level jobs as much as possible.
The boomers got it completely wrong (as usual) with the “nobody wants to work” slogan. Nobody wants to hire.
I applied for more and I know multiple people who also have. I thought this was known
This story implies that unsuccessful jobseekers are lazy. Apparently, all you need to do to find a job is apply for 650 jobs, and you’ll get one. We know this isn’t the case.
I applied for c. 35 jobs when I first graduated well over a decade ago, in the midst of the 2008 financial crisis, until I got one. I thought that was bad enough. It was exhausting and demoralising in equal measure. Tailoring CVs, writing cover letters, answering questions on a portal which have already been answered through my CV and cover letter but which I also have to answer because everyone who works in HR is a wanker. I genuinely feel for young jobseekers today
It’s so difficult for young people these days, I did a 6 month course in IT like 10 years ago and they helped us make a CV and create a linkedin account. I was contacted by recruiters on that LinkedIn account the next day.
>estimates suggested there were 1.2 million applications for 17,000 graduate vacancies
Only 17,000 graduate vacancies in the UK?
Eh a lot of this is more of a fuction of how job aplications work these days. Its fairly easy to shotgun apply for any halfway relivant job anywhere in the country and people do. So companies pretty much have to reject most applications without feedback.
About a decade ago I applied for 600 jobs – 40 interviews – 2 offers.
I sucked at interviews to begin with and got better as I got my experience of the process.
Compared to more recently I applied for 1,200 jobs – 2 interviews – 1 offer.
It is definitely harder, although I was applying for more senior roles. Fake roles existing now are definitely a thing.
Meanwhile boomers: GeNz Is LaZy, god these people live in an alternate universe
It was 10 years ago now, but I was a uni graduate and I applied for 114 before getting an entry level position. So I can absolutely believe it.
I’ve got a friend applying for jobs rn and it’s so demoralising watching him. Also the demands these job adverts have these days! They all want an individualised essay or responses particular to that job, each one taking hours. I’ve watched him send off 100+. It’s crazy
We need a reality TV show where a camera crew follows a university graduate as they apply for jobs, but the kicker is the Grad is only allowed to follow job seeking advice given by older people…
Hmmmmm, almost like a degree is just a piece of paper…
The job market sucks and has done for years. Though it depends on how your applying to jobs. Cause if your 1 click applying with a uploaded CV on indeed, you could hit 647 applications in like 20 minutes.
If your doing custom applications, personal statements and altering your CV to fit the job then it’s a bit different. Market sucks but the Internet has made it easier than ever to find and apply for jobs, which increases competition because everyone is seeing the same jobs and can apply just as easily as you.
I’m personally convinced that these extreme cases are most likely to be specific to the applicant e.g. due to spelling mistakes, formatting issues, lack of sufficient informational content in their CV or having poor results from a less reputable educator.
Finding your first job not through existing connections and without a first-rate education has always been hard.
A decade ago it took me… About 350 applications to get a job after masters. In about 6-7 months. I started suspecting people don’t read my cv as soon as they see a foreign name, thinking I need a visa even though it was very obvious if you looked for more than 10 seconds that I don’t. I started using a fake English name and got loads of interviews straight away. Funny how that is…
I feel for the next generations of graduates, a lot of middle class salaries are bad, job prospects are few.
Jesus is it like post 2009 again.
If you have a degree just use it as a ticket to getting out of the UK(bonus, don’t repay your student loans, the whole student model is a mountain of greed so let it crash) . You can do something like teach English, or work in agriculture/service sector in Australia. Or just save up and relocate to a lower cost of living country and retire in your mid 30s.
That’s the UK, white native middle class and upper working class kids with educations/skills and savings getting the hell out, and Indians and other ‘poor country’ people still desperate to come to see it as the land of opportunity.
We’re still riding the Boris-wave with hundreds of thousands, if not millions, clamoring to get jobs in the UK from all over the World. Pre-2019, my graduate children found good jobs. Then things turned to sh*t. With fewer international students coming here, this should ease eventually.
This is just clickbait.
If you read the article the jobs she’s mostly applied for require assessment centres. This suggests she is applying for graduate schemes which have always been incredibly difficult to get one, and only take in a small percentage of graduates.
Most Finance and Accounting graduates walk into jobs straight after uni, which I suspect she has done after she changed her job expectation.
it seems mad that graduates are having such a hard time. im a uni dropout but that was cause i already had a great job, i dont think ive been out of work for longer than maybe 2 months in the last 10 years.
i dont mean any of this as a humblebrag either btw, im just genuinely surprised at how much of a struggle it seems to be, ive applied for maybe 10 jobs in my life, gotten half of them, there seems to be something seriously broken that a no-qualifications dickhead like me (literally i just have GCSE’s) can find work but like graduates who put in the effort to get more qualified cant
“Finance and accounting degree”, there’s the problem, gone are the days of many book-keepers, back in the day it was common for custom accounting software, then there was sage which reduced the requirement for accountants, now we have a tone of really easy to use accounting apps, and we have AI as well.
I guess most of the jobs in the market are already filled, but good on her, persistence, patient, got the job.
On the flip side, one less job for everyone else who graduated in accounting.
I got a degree for the sake of my mum, have sold a profitable business in the past, actively pursue my own and acquainted with ventures, alongside playing poker.
Also looking to potentially do a masters in psychotherapy/counselling in the foreseeable future
It’s my opinion that nowadays people have to take their future into their own hands, outside of the comfort, and straightforward nature, of ‘getting a job’, growing in the industry and all the other clichés
I have not once got an interview offer let along a job offer through LinkedIn.
You have to remember that the more well advertised a job is, the more people will apply so the pickier they can be.
Routes that I’ve found have a much higher success rate:
• Recruiters (yes, I know they can be shit and often pushy, but they also have a vested interest in actually getting you job, just make sure you actually want it).
• Friends/contacts – not easy for a grad, but knowing someone in an organisation with a position open can be a great way to basically guarantee an interview as long as it’s a decent job. I’ve got a job through a one night stand who messaged me like “isn’t this the kind of thing you do?”.
• Company websites – if you’ve had to actively seek out their site you can find jobs that aren’t well advertised and they might even be looking for someone who actively seeks them out.
Either way, 650 applications suggests both the market is tough but also they were looking in the wrong places.
I did a degree in criminology ended up working in IT, got the job an entry level because I had done years of phone based customer service work.
They said to me, we can train you up technically but it’s harder to get people to communicate. I was also a bit of a computer nerd anyway.
Fell into arse backwards and they’ve given me a high level of training and knowledge.
The key part of this is arse backwards, I was lucky, I got the right job at the right time at the right place. If any of these didn’t happen I’d have been doing the retail/customer service merry go round for years more.
It’s so shit at the moment.
You also have to be attractive. Workout. Eat good. Smile a lot.
I suppose there’s some inertia from the interest rate increases that is reducing the supply of new jobs, and you also have many hundreds of thousands of people coming in on graduate visas at the same time, it’s kind of a perfect storm.
One of my mates is an accountant, he started a degree, but dropped out the first year.
Not sure how he got into it, but I’m guessing you don’t need to have a degree to do it. Maybe that’s where she went wrong.
I graduated 11 years ago and still don’t have a job in the field I spent years studying and practicing (media production). I still have the same retail job I started to get me through Uni with no prospect of better pay even with added responsibilities, nor any opportunities for career progression. I do freelance in my spare time but with lots of people offering their services for very little, nobody wants to pay for it anymore. I constantly apply for jobs, not just in the field I want to go into, but hardly ever get replies even with some thorough application processes. The job market feels dead to me.
we’ve built a really shite world, but at least it’s getting worse
little bit confused that people are deriding her experience on the basis that she can’t have job searched the ‘proper way’ i.e. tailoring every single cv.
in my experience (and my friends in different industries) ‘effort’ in a job application has very little correlation to job success.
i’ve never received an interview or a job offer with a personalised cover letter and tailored cv. many of the jobs i’m applying for (on site – not just through linkedin easy apply!) have just asked you to fill in your details on their site with no additional information.
for a lot of people, it just happens to be a pretty awful market right now.
Thousands of carer vacancies, you can walk into a job today if you will accept anything. If it must be a specific job, then it’s going to be harder. Doing a degree these days doesnt make you special, most poeple leaving school these days go to Uni