Starmer offre “massicce concessioni” sulla fattura del welfare ai ribelli del lavoro
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/26/starmer-offers-massive-concessions-on-welfare-bill-to-labour-rebels
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Starmer offre “massicce concessioni” sulla fattura del welfare ai ribelli del lavoro
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/jun/26/starmer-offers-massive-concessions-on-welfare-bill-to-labour-rebels
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“I’ve got another concession to make!” Keir Starmer / Foo fighters
Basically, nothing is ever allowed to change, but at the same time the government must fix everything.
Right. Got it!
I don’t think this is much of a concession. They’ll just incentivise turning down people on their renewals, then when people reapply they’ll count as new applicants.
Rebel leaders looking for an off ramp “look massive concessions revolt over” Government looking for an off ramp “we gave as much as we thought we could afford”. In the old days before doom reporting from the media this was known as give and take and all Governing parties did it.
Levying it only on new claimants is so comically stupid given that if defeats the cost saving point of it all
This country is just a state of welfare junkies for the unproductive, be it genuinely disabled people who deserve it, “the disabled”, and Pensioners.
It’s actually remarkable how weak a PM Starmer is. I wasn’t a fan before his election but I thought he’d have more of a spine than this.
I think at this point it would be easier to just tell us which policies this government haven’t u-turned on. No doubt they will be back dipping their fingers in our pots again at the next budget for even more of our money.
As a PIP claimant myself, the last 4 weeks have filled me with anxiety and dread and so many others
Two things can be true at once: universal credit (less so PIP) is open to abuse with 10pc fraudulent claims AND the genuine claimants do deserve to live a life that is frugal, but safe, and should have enough money for food, heating and a roof, funded by the state. There are no luxuries or extras.
I can’t communicate enough how bad this bill is if enacted:
25 pc of people with PIP (and all of those without it) will see:
A person will have their income reduced from £1095 to £386. A person just getting universal credit will go from £802 to £386. They are fit for full time work, in any field to the job centre. Their carer will lose their carers allowance (if applicable). Protecting the ‘most disabled’ only extends to the 200,000 most disabled, so a lot of very ill people will find themselves fit for work. No one knows who the most disabled is, as it’s relative on a curve of disability. Disabled renters will be evicted as housing benefit does not cover disability accessible accomodation. There is no protection. The help you need to find a job isn’t coming until 2029. The 9 out of 10 figure is a lie. 1.3 million in relative poverty is the real figure. Only 8 percent will find work in any case. If you do,
there is a backlog of over a year to get support or adaptations at work even if you do find a job. If you were working, losing your universal credit will also cause you to lose £674 of a UC work allowance, addressed as a need reflecting the stats that 60 pc of employed disabled people are in part time work for health reasons
The harm these cuts will call is 1000x that of winter fuel. And the public are getting lied to in this disinformation campaign.
The other thing is the collapse of the Motability scheme. Whilst I do not doubt there is abuse of it, those who need it need it. I would expect 40 pc of cars to be returned, because a person on £386 can’t afford to run a car. Not above eating, paying the shortfall on housing benefit and heating their room/flat/home anyway. The mobility PIP money will be cashed in for £ to live. It would have a significant impact on UK car manufacturing.
Imagine that in bed while you lie awake at night.
Both the hate Kendall, Starmer and Timms have used to talk about the disabled, and the minimisation and levels of disinformation going on reminds me of the Brexit campaign. I’m not exaggerating. I’m fed up of shouting ‘PIP is not an out of work benefit!!’ ‘4 out of 10 PIP claimants will lose PIP!!
Bringing back face to face assessments will help massively. The genuinely disabled have nothing to hide, and the small number of false claims would get rooted out quickly. For the approved claims, put everyone in a work preparation group apart from people for whom even working for part time is impossible. Give everyone rehabilitative coaching for work, this could take time. Give everyone the right to try employment. Make the expectation employed, but if your best offer is 3 hours a day, so be it. Find work that suits the individual. Keep the work allowance
All of this would be obvious if anyone had bothered to ask the disabled. If our government had not falsified information, deliberately withheld it, or carried on in spite of it.
Keir, Liz, Stephen, Darren, Rachel, Angela, that Mandy one and any other MP complicit, we won’t forget
Backbenchers: thank you so much for standing up to Morgan McSweeney
I wonder what taxes will go up? I’m thinking NI or income taxes at this point.
Not counting Brexit – this has to be one of the biggest backbench rebellions of all time?
Woo! Time to squeeze the few productive people even more so people with anxiety can get more free money
I genuinely find it unbelievable that a Labour government tried to get a welfare bill through that, by their own assessment, would put 250,000 people into poverty, including 50,000 children.
Whilst in the same week announcing a purchase of a dozen F35 fighter jets costing nearly £1billion.
Absolutely barmy and irrational. Starmer is completely out of his depth and has no idea where he even wants to go.
Welfare reforms needed. I think they should be cut and get people working.
The issue is this Labour government came in all wrong. The 22 billion blackhole BS an example. It just doom and gloom. They also seem to not understand that under our outdated FPTP system the benefits from a shallow majority. Nobody voted for them.
what an absolute shit show. I was prepared to give starmer the benefit of the doubt but after he backtracked on WFA but chose to make this his fight, im pretty pissed.
health issues got worse after covid and the country has been beating younger generations into the dirt leading to a genuine crisis. its that simple, and no, other nations havent been as bad to the future of younger people as the UK, stuff like brexit, uni fees and generally propping up house prices for the core voter demographic.
Disgraceful behaviour by these Labour MPs but can’t be too surprised. Most of this lot have never had real jobs, mostly working in local government or for trade unions and NGOs. They simply don’t care about the spiralling welfare bill, and think we should spend more on that and the NHS, and ‘tax the rich’ will pay for it.
If Labour refuse to make tough decisions, then we’re due for a bond crisis and a Farage government that really won’t hold back with the cuts
So current PIP claimants get to keep collecting PIP, and anyone wanting new PIP in the future will have a harder time?
Cool.
Two tier bennies?
Cool. Cool cool. Coooooooool
A two tier pip system? How can that be right? Two people with the same condition, one gets helped, the other doesn’t? How can that be morally right?
Why does a cleaner on a minimum wage have to pay tax so that a Doctor on £100k per year with ADHD or anxiety can claim PIP? The system is insane.
No one can change anything.
Whether it’s policy or infrastructure. Nothing happens.
No wonder the country is stagnating.
“democracy is the worst form of government – except for all the others that have been tried”
Can we cut the amount of welfare provided to people? No.
Ok can we tax billionaires and multibillion corporations to offset these rising costs? No.
So we just keep everything the same, even though everything is in the shitter? Yes.
I’m tired robbie
I mean something has to give though right? The welfare state makes up 25% of the governments budget. Considering we are already borrowing an obscene amount of money, already put taxes up a fairly huge amount and further stagnated growth this is going to spiral. Once it begins to spiral Reeves goes, then Starmer will have to as his credibility will be shot in Labours eyes. Then Labour won’t have a leader to rally around then we’ll have a general election in which an unprepared Reform party will probably win but have no government sense and likely fuck it up.
If nothing else I hope the next 2 years forces politics to significantly change and mainly kill Labour and Tories off entirely and spring up new parties that are actually representative of right and left policies that the time requires. Then maybe those parties will be able to clear out the rot that has so deeply set into this country.
Tbh PIP should be 100% cut for mental illnesses. If it’s physically stopping someone from working and there’s no chance of physiotherapy I get it, let’s help them.
In Japan the shut-ins just drain their family, not both their family and the state.
I don’t see why we should be giving taxpayer money to people afraid of leaving their house or who can’t use normal toothpaste.
More tax is it then I guess.
Labour is supposed to be for the working people.