PPP is not a very good measurement though. It works for what you can produce domestically, not for things you need to import to get, and most things are somewhere in between. To improve this, we’ve begun to use mPPP estimates. This lands Russia 15% lower, for example.
TheJiral on
“adjusted to purchasing power parity” is wildly misleading. Arms spending doesn’t necessarily follow consumer purchasing power. In other words, the price of melons at the vegetable market do not necessarily have anything to do with the price of controller boards.
Top-Permit6835 on
To put this in another way. Russia is on full war economy and throwing all they have on military. Europe is barely trying and basically matching Russia without making any sacrifices for its population at all
Not to mention the best Russia can now muster is a handful of modern tanks and golfcarts
TalkersCZ on
Thats the thing that people dont understand. As well the cost differences are on different scale.
If you have a soldier in EU, he will probably be paid 3-5x more than soldier in Russia. The equipment will cost 2-3x more for those soldiers in EU, because there is expected some standard.
If you are buying tank, Leopard 2 will cost around 30mil. T90 will cost you 4.5mil and Armata up to 10mil, but thats too expensive for russia.
So we will have much less soldiers, tanks and equipment in general. On other side – we will have much higher quality. It is a question in modern warfare however, if that equipment is more efficient against drones and other things.
Wayoutofthewayof on
Adjusting military spending to PPP is ridiculous. Labor costs that benefit from cheaper salaries are miniscule.
Strikingly-Mediocre on
I would also like remind all viewers that the above number is what Russia *admits* to spending.
Roughly one third of government expenditure is classified and it doesn’t take a military economist to realize that’s basically all connected to Russia’s military or secret service.
Edit: layout
HunterThin870 on
Steel has a global price. More suited data points would be recruitable population, wealth to buy weapons and materials, and industrial capability.
aY227 on
What will they use next? Europa Universalis manpower rating?
Lofteed on
what am I looking at ?
EU countries ?
Sum of natinal militaries ?
NATO spending for all the countries ?
This is like Putin asking chtgtp to make a map to make him look good
Shintaro1989 on
The Russian defense spending isn’t the problem. We’re worried about their offense spending.
Neomee on
“purchasing power parity” is BS.
ProfitHaunting9744 on
Is Turkey included? That alone is like 60b
Sneaky_Squirreel on
And what purchasing power parity has to do anything with military potential? Russia doesn’t produce any microchips or advanced electronics, all of their missiles/tanks/planes rely on foreign smuggled microchips, cameras and so on they have to pay almost double for because of sanctions and multiple middlemen. Russians being able to affor more liters of petro/gas or more kg of potatoes/food for the same money won’t give them any advantage in military potential.
VigorousElk on
It’s misleading. Yes, Russia does get more for its money, but …
a) … indices of purchasing power look at consumer spending and a general basket of (civilian) goods, I am not aware of any specific index developed for military spending. Unless the above is based on a specific study that created a new military-focused measure of purchasing power this isn’t comparable. Yes, food for Russian soldiers, rough materials for guns etc. are cheaper in Russia. But smuggling Western chips and high-tech equipment for planes, tank sights, drones etc. into the country via China is extremely expensive. Anything that needs to be imported really, because while China supports Russia in this they don’t get buddy discounts – China is making dough off of this.
b) … Russia loses a lot of spending through corruption.
c) … Russia has had to constantly increase sign-on bonuses and salaries to keep recruiting volunteers who are fully aware of the meat grinder they are walking into. Salaries of employees in defence companies have also skyrocketed. This doesn’t conform to generally lower salaries in Russia that general purchasing power indices assume.
So I’d be very surprised if the screenshot above were accurate, unless all of this has been accounted for.
-------7654321 on
yea but EU defense spending also include building a bridge and a kindergarten
/s
XorFish on
Is this military PPP or normal PPP spending?
Sub-Zero-941 on
it only scares me that russia has chinese industry behind
Deadluss on
I mean Poland singlehandedly is reaching Russia’s military spending (source? Literally Russian propaganda)
hmtk1976 on
Much of what Russia´s spending ends up smoking on the battlefield.
BlackwingF91 on
For how long though, because at this rate Russia is gonna run out of money in like a couple years.
Timauris on
With the fact that the EU has the possibility to increase that with minor adjustments to the economy and public sectors, while Russia is strained to its financial limits.
a_human_21 on
How the fuck does someone just come out with 2 simple numbers as if all the countries report their spendings publicly and correct
happy30thbirthday on
Not to worry, we will defend our borders with luxury handbags and twitch streamers – that’ll show’em!
blackcoffee17 on
How much is that $462 mld is stolen? And PPP won’t help you when buying foreign equipment.
AdMean6001 on
Damn, does that mean we have no chance of invading 20% of Ukraine in more than 3 years?
Hofbraeuer on
Russian Military Spending:
20–25% Corruption/inefficiency
5% Elite/oligarchic enrichment (symbolic)
5–10% Grey/black market imports
55–65% Personnel costs & pensions
~5–10% Real procurement value
European Military Spending:
2–5% Corruption/inefficiency
20–30% Procurement (some overpriced or politically driven)
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[https://www.iiss.org/online-analysis/military-balance/2025/02/global-defence-spending-soars-to-new-high/](https://www.iiss.org/online-analysis/military-balance/2025/02/global-defence-spending-soars-to-new-high/)
PPP is not a very good measurement though. It works for what you can produce domestically, not for things you need to import to get, and most things are somewhere in between. To improve this, we’ve begun to use mPPP estimates. This lands Russia 15% lower, for example.
“adjusted to purchasing power parity” is wildly misleading. Arms spending doesn’t necessarily follow consumer purchasing power. In other words, the price of melons at the vegetable market do not necessarily have anything to do with the price of controller boards.
To put this in another way. Russia is on full war economy and throwing all they have on military. Europe is barely trying and basically matching Russia without making any sacrifices for its population at all
Not to mention the best Russia can now muster is a handful of modern tanks and golfcarts
Thats the thing that people dont understand. As well the cost differences are on different scale.
If you have a soldier in EU, he will probably be paid 3-5x more than soldier in Russia. The equipment will cost 2-3x more for those soldiers in EU, because there is expected some standard.
If you are buying tank, Leopard 2 will cost around 30mil. T90 will cost you 4.5mil and Armata up to 10mil, but thats too expensive for russia.
So we will have much less soldiers, tanks and equipment in general. On other side – we will have much higher quality. It is a question in modern warfare however, if that equipment is more efficient against drones and other things.
Adjusting military spending to PPP is ridiculous. Labor costs that benefit from cheaper salaries are miniscule.
I would also like remind all viewers that the above number is what Russia *admits* to spending.
Roughly one third of government expenditure is classified and it doesn’t take a military economist to realize that’s basically all connected to Russia’s military or secret service.
Edit: layout
Steel has a global price. More suited data points would be recruitable population, wealth to buy weapons and materials, and industrial capability.
What will they use next? Europa Universalis manpower rating?
what am I looking at ?
EU countries ?
Sum of natinal militaries ?
NATO spending for all the countries ?
This is like Putin asking chtgtp to make a map to make him look good
The Russian defense spending isn’t the problem. We’re worried about their offense spending.
“purchasing power parity” is BS.
Is Turkey included? That alone is like 60b
And what purchasing power parity has to do anything with military potential? Russia doesn’t produce any microchips or advanced electronics, all of their missiles/tanks/planes rely on foreign smuggled microchips, cameras and so on they have to pay almost double for because of sanctions and multiple middlemen. Russians being able to affor more liters of petro/gas or more kg of potatoes/food for the same money won’t give them any advantage in military potential.
It’s misleading. Yes, Russia does get more for its money, but …
a) … indices of purchasing power look at consumer spending and a general basket of (civilian) goods, I am not aware of any specific index developed for military spending. Unless the above is based on a specific study that created a new military-focused measure of purchasing power this isn’t comparable. Yes, food for Russian soldiers, rough materials for guns etc. are cheaper in Russia. But smuggling Western chips and high-tech equipment for planes, tank sights, drones etc. into the country via China is extremely expensive. Anything that needs to be imported really, because while China supports Russia in this they don’t get buddy discounts – China is making dough off of this.
b) … Russia loses a lot of spending through corruption.
c) … Russia has had to constantly increase sign-on bonuses and salaries to keep recruiting volunteers who are fully aware of the meat grinder they are walking into. Salaries of employees in defence companies have also skyrocketed. This doesn’t conform to generally lower salaries in Russia that general purchasing power indices assume.
So I’d be very surprised if the screenshot above were accurate, unless all of this has been accounted for.
yea but EU defense spending also include building a bridge and a kindergarten
/s
Is this military PPP or normal PPP spending?
it only scares me that russia has chinese industry behind
I mean Poland singlehandedly is reaching Russia’s military spending (source? Literally Russian propaganda)
Much of what Russia´s spending ends up smoking on the battlefield.
For how long though, because at this rate Russia is gonna run out of money in like a couple years.
With the fact that the EU has the possibility to increase that with minor adjustments to the economy and public sectors, while Russia is strained to its financial limits.
How the fuck does someone just come out with 2 simple numbers as if all the countries report their spendings publicly and correct
Not to worry, we will defend our borders with luxury handbags and twitch streamers – that’ll show’em!
How much is that $462 mld is stolen? And PPP won’t help you when buying foreign equipment.
Damn, does that mean we have no chance of invading 20% of Ukraine in more than 3 years?
Russian Military Spending:
20–25% Corruption/inefficiency
5% Elite/oligarchic enrichment (symbolic)
5–10% Grey/black market imports
55–65% Personnel costs & pensions
~5–10% Real procurement value
European Military Spending:
2–5% Corruption/inefficiency
20–30% Procurement (some overpriced or politically driven)
60–70% Personnel & pensions
0–5% R&D and reserves
~20–30% Real procurement value