Il governo scava la riforma del benessere chiave dopo i timori di potenziale sconfitta
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Il governo scava la riforma del benessere chiave dopo i timori di potenziale sconfitta
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/ckg33njxve0t
di Alert-One-Two
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Astonishingly poor political judgment from Starmer that it came to this. Huge blow to his authority as leader obviously.
So really at this point what they’re voting on is a complete waste of time lol
These clowns are making the tories look competent. after today if Starmer wants to keep his job he’s gonna have to boot McSweeney, and do a cabinet reshuffle at a minimum.
It is actively impressive to me how bad Keir Starmer is at politics.
After 14 years of mismanagement by the Tories there is clear scope to add massive amounts of value to the lives of millions by creating a fair humane and pragmatic system that should be far better than what we have now.
Instead they’ve wasted a year, a shed load of political capital and humiliated themselves just to ensure T could pretend the most minor changes would save a load of money they’ve already spent.
I think Andy Burnham and Sadiq Khan should start considering ways to get back into the commons pretty sharpish.
Even with a massive majority they can’t and haven’t put out any real policy. Single use vape ban, tax rises and scaled back workers rights that are not in until 2026.
That delicious stagnant status quo.
I think he’ll face a vote of no confidence soon. He has no leadership skills at all. He’d be better as a member of the cabinet.
Whilst it is admirable that he’s u-turned on things and admitted that he was wrong, it doesn’t really bode well for him. A captain that needs his crew to constantly tell him to correct his course isn’t a competent captain.
what a shit show.
I didn’t vote Labour, but I did think with an ex-lawyer in charge everything would be carefully planned, all alternatives considered, the impact measured and words carefully chosen. My bad, Larry the no. 10 cat would make a better go of this.
At what point do either Reeves or Kendall need to resign after all these u-turns?
Starmer has fucked any momentum and hope Labour had after 14 years out of power. What a tit.
Remember this puff piece article about how Starmer can do the simple things well:
> [Starmer can chair a meeting. He can draft a minute. He can lead a team. He can hold a press conference. He can liaise with different offices. He can stay calm in an interview. Those skills look simple, but they’re not, and they’re vital to the air of “concerned but kindly manager” that he projects.](https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-labour-leader)
Was hilarious at the time, is even more hilarious now.
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I honestly don’t know which government I detested more, corrupt tories or this insane asylum.
Starmer can afford to pay Mauritius an average of £101m a year for 99 years, to Mauritius (a puppet of China, the geopolitical ramifications are huge btw ) to loan islands that we already own, which we didn’t even need to do, they can afford to spend 2 BILLION on housing illegal immigrants into nice hotels, yet they want to take money from British OAPs, and sick and mentally ill Britons? While continuing to destroy the middle class, and tax small businesses, destroying growth. Completely U turning on most of their manifesto promises This is beyond parody.
Starmer is a u-turning tool and just goes with the wind, another complete circus of a government.
The most clueless, out of touch administration I’ve ever seen.
It’s almost as if his brief was ‘screw things up so badly even Farage will look appealing’.
We’ve ended up with American politics, a bunch of self serving idiots beholden to big business, drunk on power and, thanks to the media moguls, just slightly different versions of the same status quo that will keep the rich getting richer and the poor getting screwed harder.
Cue significant tax rises in the Autumn. A huge 5 billion hole to plug and it’s working families already taxed to death who will have to fill it. So much for Liebours ‘working people” promises
I said it when they were doing fuck all in the election, these guys never actually wanted to win. It’s so much easier to tell the Tories how shit they are. And now they’ve won they’re absolutely wasting an opportunity of a life time. They have enough MPs to push through an amazing amount of change. But instead have let a wet sponge lead them and do absolutely nothing with it
And the cycle will continue. It won’t matter who is in power or what decisions they make, people won’t be happy. The media cycle of doom with continue. I’m no Starmer fanboy, but the media has been incredibly anti-Starmer with many headlines like “Starmer says xyz” that bare no relation to what he actually said.
We will continue to have unrealistic exceptions of what leaders can and should do. We will continue to be manipulated by tabloids to hate whoever is in power and blame each other for the country’s problems.
Ridiculous, PIP needs to go entirely not this watered down wet fart of a reform.
The boring and sensible adults in the room, everyone! Give it up for boring and sensible!
Nothing will ever change as any significant change is a political suicide
Welfare bill is now over £300bn or 25% of total spending and keeps on growing that has to be subsidised by increasing the borrowing while debt interest now amounts to over £100bn
But at least social media is full of armchair experts who would fix the country overnight
All people want is for them to take their time, do consultations, and actually come up with something concrete before trying to push through drastic changes like this. It’s actually mental that this has happened after they screwed up the exact same way with the warm home payments. They should be absolutely ashamed.
They didn’t even get everything changed, they’ve been told it’ll happen at a later date and just push it through anyway. Pinky promises.
A few lovely quotes from Labour MPs reported today:
> Labour’s Mary Kelly Foy is speaking now. She says she popped out for a banana earlier on and when she returned, “things had changed again”.
> “I’ve been here 15 years and never once seen a massive commitment given in a bill like the minister gave, in an intervention. This is crazy, man, this is outrageous, man.”
> Liverpool Wavertree MP Paula Barker dismisses the government’s latest concession, saying that – just like promises on Hillsborough – “if it is not written down it, it is not worth the paper is written on”.
> McDonald says: “We’ve just heard that a pivotal part of this Bill, clause five, is not going to be effective. So I ask the question, what are we supposed to be voting on tonight?”
Starmer and McSweeney are going to be humiliated into respecting the left time and time again if they keep being this arrogant.
Shame they backed down from this, was about the only Labour reform I could get behind. The welfare system is massively abused and needs to be reformed. As a tax payer I am completely behind a welfare state and we need to be there for those who are genuine, however I also expect that money to be properly spent on the people that actually need it.
Farage incoming as PM.
At this point Keir’s only hope is putting the entire country on PIP.
Atlee has momentarily stopped rolling in his grave. He will probably restart in a few days when Starner will promise another shitty economic proposal
Jokes aside, this is bad for the PM. He has lost control of his party and his athority has been significantly weakened.
Will he throw some of his collaborators under the bus to buy himself more time?
Today, in the Commons, I saw a few signs of a Labour Party revival and its MPs. But for the main it was the red Tories arguing with the blue tories. Business as usual and neither party wants to take responsible action. The disaster of this political mismanagment just helps Farage and his neo-fascists.
Starmer should have stuck with being a lawyer. He’s not suited for this role.
I’m going to say my opinion which I’m know won’t be agreed with by many, but I think it’s important in this volatile political world we are now in different viewpoints are expressed. I myself am a centrist although I tend to be more economically left leaning and socially right leaning.
This bill has proven to me that a very right wing government next GE is inevitable. Labour have a large majority, a welfare Bill that is exceedingly getting out of control, a distinct lack of government funds and yet the party cannot unify for even a year. This bill in its full provisions was needed for the country in the national interest, to unlock spending power on areas that will make a meaningful difference to the majority. Would some people lose out, yes and it sucks. I wish we as a country had money to pay everyone as much as they need, but unfortunately we don’t as a result of capitalism and the way the countries been run since austerity.
The left wing of the party, emboldened by the Change in WFP (which was also ridiculous) have scuppered this on short term thinking, when they have four years till the next GE and doesn’t impact enough people negatively to influence an election. Saving pip won’t make people stay with Labour if that’s what they are hoping for.
I like Starmer, he is a pragmatist, he is trying to play a long game by building foundations for the future, but constant scuppering of any changes is not helpful. We no longer have the privilege of being ideologically motivated we have a country in crisis and a pragmatic, for the many approach is needed.
It’s also very important to note that now it is clear pensioners and the welfare bill is off limits the savings anticipated need to be found elsewhere. Now I support a wealth tax, but a majority of this country do not, so this will be through taxation of the middle as per usual. The middle that is consistently squeezed and swing in votes more often. So inevitably from this we all get economic consequences (through higher taxes and lost value of spending money on other things), our lives don’t improve and the conditons for far right politics continue to fester. The far right can only win if the middle are unhappy.
This vote today and the concessions before it have far reaching consequences for us all and I think there is too much focus on the short term impacts. Starmers pragmatic long term approach is now dead, he wasn’t even allowed to get to a year. He will now transition to short term wins (much smaller but less politically risky) will likely have to tax more and this reduces the best chance of stopping a far right government in my opinion.
This comment section reinforces my views on this and I think it’s a frustrating day for Britain’s future.
The country is in an economic death spiral. No one wants to hear this but we can simply not afford for a shrinking minority to fund a growing majority.
It’s utter madness.
All Labour are doing by avoiding the hard decisions is ushering in a hard right government in a few years – and then people will learn what hardship really means.
Labour had the chance to take some shitty decisions, but at least in a managed way. But they have fumbled it at every step.
The public are equally to blame – they want radical change without the change.
So next up – more tax everyone!!!
Okay I understand this but they’re not beholden to maintaining the concessions? Because this bill didn’t have any. They have to put in the concessions in a following one because of time or something
What’s to stop the government from saying we are changing nothing about it
Besides just a lot of upset back benchers and 4 years to adjust to it
What did they actually vote on if most of it was removed?
Labours problem is always bloody Labour, they have own goals and still miss
So many got used to the furlough life. Should’ve stuck through the mud and got people working again. So many conning the system
flipe fliop
again
how blind does a “leader” have to be to not do the phone around to check there is support *before* it gets to this stage?
all Starmer has done now is show he is both spineless and will always back down
I’m not in the least bit surprised to see how many people were salivating at the mouth at the prospects of watching disabled people having their already difficult lives made harder.
We’ve had decades of the Tabloid Media, TV Shows and Tory MP’s pushing the narrative that disabled people are all feckless lazy bastards cheating the system.
So many people on this sub have told their stories about how they somebody cheating the system and how it makes them very upset and angry, but no so upset and angry to actually report them to the DWP, almost like they are full of shit.
What most of population don’t realise or I should say, don’t care to realise is that the vast majority of aids that disabled people own they have had to purchase out of their pocket because they are not available on the NHS.
Take Wheelchairs. If you are lucky you might be able to loan the most basic of wheelchairs for a short period of time but ultimately you have to purchase on yourself.
Commodes, Handrails, Bedrails, Lift systems, riser recliner chairs, walking sticks, rollators, mattress protectors, incontinence underwear, shower stools etc etc.
All these disablity aids and many many more are not available on the NHS and have to purchased by the person.
You then have knows that are reliant on taxi’s and such because they can’t drive and public transport often will not get you where you need to go.
Myself, I often have to go a hospital which is in the next city. This involves a walk to the local bus stop that takes me into town. A walk from the stop to the bus station, another bus that takes me to next city. Then another walk from that bus stop to the hospital entrance and another walk the entire length of the hospital grounds to where my appointment is.
I physically can’t do this. I just don’t have the strength in my legs, the lung capacity or even the will to try because I know how much pain it is going to cause.
For me it is either get a lift from a friends or a Uber.
Now you take away my PIP and I have no idea what I’m going to.. well I do, I will get sicker and die because I wont be able to get to most of my appointments.
I am reliant on my PIP to get me to my hospital appointments, I am reliant on my PIP for my hydrotherapy sessions (not available on the NHS), I need my PIP for services all of which are not on the NHS.s
It’s such an obvious own goal, especially after the winter fuel payments thing – Starmer keeps pushing policies that nobody voted for because they weren’t in the manifesto, and without bothering to consult his own party about them, yet expects them to just give unconditional support after he lied to become leader?
The only democratic part in any of this was the threat of losing the vote – there’s a reason we have proper forums through which the party is *supposed* to make policy and build consensus, and the more MPs who are involved in the process, the better because it means more viewpoints (as representatives of their constituencies, ideally) can be heard.
It’s perfectly fine to have a goal of “reforming the welfare system” but you can’t just pull the first idea out of your ass and expect everyone to be happy about it, especially when that idea is the same one the Tories have been trying for 14 years – punish the poor for being poor and the disabled for being disabled. ***Real*** original there Starms. 😒
You honestly have to wonder if this guy was ever actually a lawyer or if his past was entirely fabricated, because surely nobody this utterly and relentlessly inept could ever have won a court case?
Labour MPs getting above their station. Absolute amateur hour.