Well fuck’em. Antidemokratic parties should have no representation in the government.
snowsuit101 on
It being more popular than ever is likely the very reason many want to have it banned, and it’s a very good reason especially with Germany trying to build a large military. But even without that extremism, especially the anti-human kind, and political power can only doom the masses on the long run.
CadiaStands_ on
Democracy is when I ban parties I dont like:
Nattekat on
You can’t ban a collective world view from existence. You’ll only make them more mad.
Decent-Thought-2648 on
After you ban the AfD, wouldn’t it make sense to have fresh elections? Because at that point with the BSW and FDP that would be a full 30% of Germans who voted in the last election unrepresented in the Bundestag.
Deepfire_DM on
Very good, time to ban the fascists before they can damage more of our democracy. Nest step after the ban: Radikalenerlass.
Galacticmetrics on
If that happens Germany can no longer call itself a a representative democracy
Standard-General-522 on
I’m just having a debate with a bunch of Dutch folks – yes, Western Europe is in its core racist. The minute economy starts slowing down, their right hands begin trembling.
MarduRusher on
I don’t think banning the party would do a whole lot honestly other than galvanize supporters to the next similar party. Banning the party doesn’t do anything to address the reason it’s popular in the first place.
RobertTheChemist on
Funfact: The Federal Consitution Court said in the NPD ban case (2017) that the NPD cannot be banned because it is not relevant enough?
And now people are saying we can’t ban the AfD because it has become too relevant and popular.
OkChipmunk2485 on
We do not need a ban, but a deportation to their Russian paymasters.
Familiar_Advisor3298 on
Many redditors are as antidemocratic as AFD
those saying
“people are too retarded to vote”
“we shouldn’t do a referendum over X because people are too stupid”
“we need to rethink democracy because people is retarded”
Opinions very popular on this sub, but when Reddit says this it’s ok
Minute-Effective-731 on
Brainwashed lefties abusing their power
MainMore691 on
What’s the reason they are popular? People on Germany have internet access, so they know for sure, who are AfD .
Positive_Chip6198 on
Banning political parties only fuels their support, democracy needs dialogue and facts, not bans and silencing.
A large portion of germans disagree on the immigration policies, the other parties need to start listening, instead of falling over themselves to be politically correct. These tactics are what have empowered pootin to undermine democracy across the west. The old guard leftists just have to realize, not everyone is on board with rampant immigration. Banning afd wont help, those people will still be dissatisfied and will jump unto whatever party pops up in afd’s stead.
I believe these moves to ban will only hasten the decline of european democracy.
Instead, countries need to investigate which politicians are taking bribes from russia, china, qatar, saudi arabia etc. and make some arrests. Strengthen the law on election interference. Combat the internet botfarms that fan the flames of either side of every discussion to promote animosity and division. Europe is under attack, we need to wake up.
machtiiin on
They are popular, as populists are in many European countries, promising easy solutions after the permanent crises of the last 10-15 years. Nevertheless, there would still be a majority to ban them, or try to.
The problem is that the constitution has high hurdles here for good reason. After the Nazi era, a party should only be able to be banned under high hurdles so that the government cannot evade political competition. The last time a party was banned was in the 1950s. An attempt was made at the beginning of the millennium with another extreme right-wing party and it didn’t work because although it was anti-constitutional, it was too small to jeopardize the constitution.
In the case of the AfD, the anti-constitutional nature is not quite so one-sided in legal terms, partly due to the high hurdles.
During the proceedings, which can take a long time, the party would present itself as a victim and that its opinion and that of its voters should be suppressed. If the proceedings are unsuccessful, in the end it was just election campaign aid for the devil.
GWahazar on
“I have seen that one” – 1923
Mammoth_Professor833 on
What actually makes them neo Nazi fascist? Those words get thrown out a lot and even in the USA everyone tries to say Trump people are like this….but I find it’s a lot hyperbole and diminished the meaning of what actual nazism is.
Nicita27 on
Lets face the truth. People vote for AFD because people are sick of immigrants. And this is the only party that says immigration is a problem and wants to to something about it.
As long as other partys don’t acknowledge immigration as a problem and want to do something about it the AfD will get more support every day.
ElleAsly on
the last time a very popular far right party was elected in germany, we got the holocaust, so yeah i think its fair that normal people dont like afd.
lordkhuzdul on
Yeah, no surprise Germans are going “Been there, done that, didn’t like the tshirt”.
freemason6999 on
The system is rigged. They played the same games in France with banning Le Pen.
IamCoolerThanYoux3 on
A party represents the people’s voices.
So banning parties is literally what Hitler did.
I’m not sure if that’s what people call democracy and solidarity.
bledig on
MAGA and Trump is popular too
Nice_Anybody2983 on
Ban then already! Nobody wants another fascist Germany.
Fer4yn on
Yeah, because banning democracy always goes so well…
dustofdeath on
People are easy to manipulate if they are already vulnerable due to stress, depression, fear and hopelessness.
Nazism is very good at taking advantage of that. And democracy fails if people are no longer thinking themselves.
This is how democratic systems fall – no failsafes. They use democracy to destroy it.
BillDeSilvey on
Anything that goes against the NWO is subject to being banned in Europe.
Prometheides on
What about trying to fix the problems that has pushed the people to support an antistablishmet party that promises (most probably falsely, but still) to side with the citizens and listens to their outrage?
Nah, better ban them, that will totally work and strengthen the “democracy”.
chronically_slow on
Everybody here is acting like the ban would be a political decision. It is not. It is against the German constitution for a party to work toward abolishing certain fundamental rights, thus if it is brought before a court, the court will decide whether or not to ban purely on evidence and law.
The political decision is bringing the case to court in the first place because only the government and the two chambers of the parliament can do that. But of course all of the parties are playing election tactics, so, except for the left, they’ll only give their support when they see an advantage for themselves
PineBNorth85 on
Address immigration and migration and its popularity will drop. That is the only reason it’s at a high right now.
markowithak on
Popularity should be THE reason to ban. Or wait for Boss to start the new brownshirt summer line.
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Well fuck’em. Antidemokratic parties should have no representation in the government.
It being more popular than ever is likely the very reason many want to have it banned, and it’s a very good reason especially with Germany trying to build a large military. But even without that extremism, especially the anti-human kind, and political power can only doom the masses on the long run.
Democracy is when I ban parties I dont like:
You can’t ban a collective world view from existence. You’ll only make them more mad.
After you ban the AfD, wouldn’t it make sense to have fresh elections? Because at that point with the BSW and FDP that would be a full 30% of Germans who voted in the last election unrepresented in the Bundestag.
Very good, time to ban the fascists before they can damage more of our democracy. Nest step after the ban: Radikalenerlass.
If that happens Germany can no longer call itself a a representative democracy
I’m just having a debate with a bunch of Dutch folks – yes, Western Europe is in its core racist. The minute economy starts slowing down, their right hands begin trembling.
I don’t think banning the party would do a whole lot honestly other than galvanize supporters to the next similar party. Banning the party doesn’t do anything to address the reason it’s popular in the first place.
Funfact: The Federal Consitution Court said in the NPD ban case (2017) that the NPD cannot be banned because it is not relevant enough?
And now people are saying we can’t ban the AfD because it has become too relevant and popular.
We do not need a ban, but a deportation to their Russian paymasters.
Many redditors are as antidemocratic as AFD
those saying
“people are too retarded to vote”
“we shouldn’t do a referendum over X because people are too stupid”
“we need to rethink democracy because people is retarded”
Opinions very popular on this sub, but when Reddit says this it’s ok
Brainwashed lefties abusing their power
What’s the reason they are popular? People on Germany have internet access, so they know for sure, who are AfD .
Banning political parties only fuels their support, democracy needs dialogue and facts, not bans and silencing.
A large portion of germans disagree on the immigration policies, the other parties need to start listening, instead of falling over themselves to be politically correct. These tactics are what have empowered pootin to undermine democracy across the west. The old guard leftists just have to realize, not everyone is on board with rampant immigration. Banning afd wont help, those people will still be dissatisfied and will jump unto whatever party pops up in afd’s stead.
I believe these moves to ban will only hasten the decline of european democracy.
Instead, countries need to investigate which politicians are taking bribes from russia, china, qatar, saudi arabia etc. and make some arrests. Strengthen the law on election interference. Combat the internet botfarms that fan the flames of either side of every discussion to promote animosity and division. Europe is under attack, we need to wake up.
They are popular, as populists are in many European countries, promising easy solutions after the permanent crises of the last 10-15 years. Nevertheless, there would still be a majority to ban them, or try to.
The problem is that the constitution has high hurdles here for good reason. After the Nazi era, a party should only be able to be banned under high hurdles so that the government cannot evade political competition. The last time a party was banned was in the 1950s. An attempt was made at the beginning of the millennium with another extreme right-wing party and it didn’t work because although it was anti-constitutional, it was too small to jeopardize the constitution.
In the case of the AfD, the anti-constitutional nature is not quite so one-sided in legal terms, partly due to the high hurdles.
During the proceedings, which can take a long time, the party would present itself as a victim and that its opinion and that of its voters should be suppressed. If the proceedings are unsuccessful, in the end it was just election campaign aid for the devil.
“I have seen that one” – 1923
What actually makes them neo Nazi fascist? Those words get thrown out a lot and even in the USA everyone tries to say Trump people are like this….but I find it’s a lot hyperbole and diminished the meaning of what actual nazism is.
Lets face the truth. People vote for AFD because people are sick of immigrants. And this is the only party that says immigration is a problem and wants to to something about it.
As long as other partys don’t acknowledge immigration as a problem and want to do something about it the AfD will get more support every day.
the last time a very popular far right party was elected in germany, we got the holocaust, so yeah i think its fair that normal people dont like afd.
Yeah, no surprise Germans are going “Been there, done that, didn’t like the tshirt”.
The system is rigged. They played the same games in France with banning Le Pen.
A party represents the people’s voices.
So banning parties is literally what Hitler did.
I’m not sure if that’s what people call democracy and solidarity.
MAGA and Trump is popular too
Ban then already! Nobody wants another fascist Germany.
Yeah, because banning democracy always goes so well…
People are easy to manipulate if they are already vulnerable due to stress, depression, fear and hopelessness.
Nazism is very good at taking advantage of that. And democracy fails if people are no longer thinking themselves.
This is how democratic systems fall – no failsafes. They use democracy to destroy it.
Anything that goes against the NWO is subject to being banned in Europe.
What about trying to fix the problems that has pushed the people to support an antistablishmet party that promises (most probably falsely, but still) to side with the citizens and listens to their outrage?
Nah, better ban them, that will totally work and strengthen the “democracy”.
Everybody here is acting like the ban would be a political decision. It is not. It is against the German constitution for a party to work toward abolishing certain fundamental rights, thus if it is brought before a court, the court will decide whether or not to ban purely on evidence and law.
The political decision is bringing the case to court in the first place because only the government and the two chambers of the parliament can do that. But of course all of the parties are playing election tactics, so, except for the left, they’ll only give their support when they see an advantage for themselves
Address immigration and migration and its popularity will drop. That is the only reason it’s at a high right now.
Popularity should be THE reason to ban. Or wait for Boss to start the new brownshirt summer line.