I medici residenti che agiscono in “inconcepibile modo” sugli scioperi – Streeting
https://www.the-independent.com/news/uk/home-news/wes-streeting-british-medical-association-health-secretary-government-nhs-b2788717.html
di corbynista2029
I medici residenti che agiscono in “inconcepibile modo” sugli scioperi – Streeting
https://www.the-independent.com/news/uk/home-news/wes-streeting-british-medical-association-health-secretary-government-nhs-b2788717.html
di corbynista2029
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Pretty much.
Whatever way you look at it they are trying to make out they are hard done by when in reality, using CPI and using other graduate salaries as a comparison, they are doing pretty darn well, and significantly better than most when you look at the salary progression in their first 5 years.
This is gen z salary entitlement that i keep seeing and is unsustainable in a government paid roll.
They are some of the best paid graduates in the country.
Imagine wanting to be paid as much as your parents when they were your age, what a crazy thing to ask for, how dare they
All of the last few strikes have literally been the same demands, all it takes is just meeting those demands.
They want wages increase to the same real terms as 2008, not an increase on that, just to be the same as it was in real terms nearly 20 years ago
> Wes Streeting also said the British Medical Association (BMA) is acting in an “unconscionable” way by telling members not to tell their employers if they are planning to strike.
>Mr Streeting said he “cannot fathom” why “any doctor in good conscience would make it harder for managers to make sure we have safe staffing levels”.
Important context I think. It burns me to ever come to the defense of that soulless empty suit Wes Streeting but he’s particularly calling out the potential strikers for making it difficult to plan to cover the strikes.
Im specifically calling out the Independent making a clickbait title.
> Doctors striking without warning ‘shockingly irresponsible’, says Streeting
See, the guardian can make a title without twisting the truth
Is it really that strange that doctors want to be well recompensed for their time?
It kinda doesn’t matter to me that they earn more than average, or their wages haven’t dropped in real terms as much as other professions. Doctors are overworked, we have a retention crisis in the NHS and telling them that they’re slightly better off than nurses but still worse off than they should be isn’t going to help that.
This type of messaging and the response it gets from the crabs in a bucket crowd probably isn’t great for the doctors who choose to stay out of a sense of duty.
Personally I would’ve fucked off to Australia ages ago.
Streeting acting in ‘unconscionable way’ over everything he does in his role of health sec.
Regardless of the merits or not of the planned strike action, this is a common tactic used by multiple Governments.
They guilt trip staff into thinking they shouldn’t strike. “Wont you think of the patients” line is used far too often, and they expect NHS workers to just take all the shit that is thrown at them and do the job out of goodwill
You know what else is unconscionable, the Government announcing thousands of staff will lose their jobs through the media
The irony of Streeting lecturing anyone on matters of conscience.
Edit:
I’m getting quite a few surprisingly negative/unpleasant PMs from this.
Again… as stated… I’m NOT making a comment on whether the strike is legitimate or not, I’m trying to point out a purely technical point re. the statements of “wanting their 2008 salaries back” that many won’t have been resident doctors 17 years ago.
No reason to stop being civil when debating 🙁
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Not commenting on the legitimacy of their strike, but it is worth pointing out that “resident doctors” are “junior doctors” (ie doctors in house officer training)
It depends on the specialty, but usually this lasts 5-10 years.
They are not “asking for what they earned in 2008”…
They were not close to being Doctors in 2008 (a fair number wouldn’t have even started Uni yet), when wages were at that level.
They are asking for historically high wages from before they were Doctors.
(again, not commenting on whether that’s valid or not, but it is an important point).
This cretin can sit on a stick and swivel. I support doctors because of course I do
When did Junior Doctors become resident doctors? Are we going American?
My point is this, for every private industry where they have top people on high wages, think Thames water for instance, they justify their high wages as they need to be that to attract top talent, well if we want to keep our highly educated and intelligent doctors in the Uk and not lose them to other countries ready and willing to poach them for much higher salaries and better working conditions, we need to pay them their worth.
1. Its not up to wes streeting, me or anyone else, to tell workers what is a reasonable or necessary reason to strike. thats entirely their decision.
2. If its so irresponsible to strike, then that must mean they are so important to the country. In which case maybe paying them the £23 an hour they are asking for is not unreasonable. I wonder what Wes is on, with his donations from private healthcare companies….
3. I wonder what MPs would say if we said they have to take a 25% pay cut immediately and be stuck on that wage, not rising, for the next 10 years….
4. if labour can find £5bn to bung to the most asset rich, most wealthy generation ever to have existed, then they can find the money for this easily.
Good that we can just hire doctors from Africa and India instead rather than kowtowing to silly pay claims. We should also just pump up medical places at universities, let people with Cs become doctors. It’s not even that hard – you go to the GP, ‘my toe hurts’, refer them to a toe specialist, job done.
Junior doctors can earn £50k+ by year two and are on track for six figures as GPs, consultants, or locums in the future.
Poor people
Edit: when this all started a decade ago. It wasn’t about the money it was about the patient safety. Ironic.
>Wes Streeting also said the British Medical Association (BMA) is acting in an “unconscionable” way by telling members not to tell their employers if they are planning to strike.
There is absolutely no obligation to inform an employer you’re striking
>Mr Streeting said he “cannot fathom” why “any doctor in good conscience would make it harder for managers to make sure we have safe staffing levels”.
It’s very easy to ensure safe staffing, even if 100% of residents strike on the day with no warning. It’s just expensive and will impact elective work
Oh I don’t know, Wes. I can think of someone involved in the UK’s healthcare whose behaviour fits that description a fair bit better
Streeting can do one. I’ve been waiting over five and a half years for my appointment. Screw him and his theoretical family member.
They’re taking the piss, hoping they can strong arm the labour government into it. But a protracted strike could sink the labour government and they will then be negotiating with reform. Who would blow the whole thing up and we will end up with a US style system. May the resident doctors would like that, but the country would be screwed. I am personally disgusted by the BMAs behaviour.
Opposing doctor pay rises
Guilt tripping those striking
Presiding over the NHS making significant redundancies
And Labour wonder why nobody has any faith in them at all. May as well have David Cameron and Michael Gove running the fucking thing
Labour being the party of workers but still being better than the conservatives is the worst timeline.
It’s absolutely vital that Resident Doctors get what’s coming to them. They are much more important than their patients and must be coddled, paid in diamond, pearls and rubies. They are must never be forced to come in contact with anyone a bit under the weather and, most of all the accommodation in which they are resident should be a palace with golden walls, a bit like Trumps Oval Office. Would they be happy then, no of course not, they want parity with train drivers and there isn’t enough money left in the kitty to achieve that.
It’s amazing (/s) how polarising this is on Reddit. It remains an unconscionable demand of these doctors, for a group that have already had a circa 28% pay uplift (this offer plus last years 20%) on the table.
I don’t really care for the mental hoops supporters of these strikes have to jump through – should doctors be paid more, of course! But so should everyone else!
And if it is the choice between giving nurses, teachers, police officers and others a little bit more then so be it… no a doctor on does not **need** the money more than anyone else…
Wes streeting: look at these selfish bastards standing up for themselves.
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We can’t tax the wealthy more because they’ll just leave. And we can’t pay doctors more because… why? Are they all already in Australia?
What sort of society thinks it can afford to lose all its key healthcare workers, but not its tax avoiders?