I do understand being afraid of China and such, however I don’t grasp why the China relations are on a brink while we massage the balls of the orange dude in US.
Inside-Till3391 on
EU is doomed led by this corrupt lady.
JazzlikeAmphibian9 on
F china they want to control us indirectly same as the us. So f them Europe needs to forge our own path.
Urzuck on
I don’t understand how we can reduce the trade deficit tough. Our car sector, that was one of our strongest point, is shit now and can’t be competitive in China where you get EV at cheap price, both Stellantis and Wolkswagen are not in a good position right now. We export mainly farmaceutics, luxury items and Airbus, but China is a manufacturing country, what could they possibly need? We are dependant on their raw material, on batteries and EV, on technology, 90% of out solar panels are chinese. I don’t like the way Von Der Layen is approaching things, i want to hear about a project for an european re-industrialization, but all i hear is how to put trade barriers and stupid bureaucratic laws. And i’m honestly baffled at their arrogance, they are in a weaker position but they like to play hardball.
Fluffy-Republic8610 on
They’re at an inflection point but we will just carry on through without doing anything much about it. China doesn’t even acknowledge it is doing anything and the EU isn’t capable of dynamic positioning to respond to events anyway.
Maxmilian_ on
No shit, they support our enemies quite openly and want to economically decimate us
Fuck them
EuroFederalist on
People demand we should do something against China, but never tell what exactly, and obviously we don’t want Chinese to begun supporting Russia openly because it would harm Ukraine a lot.
Selleri on
The way forward, as I see it, is a strategic decoupling from the U.S., and for Europe to maintain a balanced relationship based on trade with both east and west. Accusing China of weaponizing their “industrial overcapacity” makes the EU seem weak, as if we can merely _demand_ an equal seat at the table.
Original-Elk-8665 on
Why would you even want a relationship with a dictatorship like China? EU is full of losers.
Matshelge on
We should start using their tricks. OK, EV import allowed, but only if you set up factory in EU, and hire EU citizens to help you.
The main thing we want to learn is how they get the supply line setup. Their automation tech is also worth having.
If we want to skill up our auto industry, we should have them show us what they do. They stole all their stuff Tesla, do the same to them.
Any-Original-6113 on
I would agree on a piecemeal mutual increase in duties, which would look like this: with a balance of trade (or a slight imbalance of +/- 10%), minimal mutual duties.
For products that are supplied above (an imbalance of up to -30%), duties increase by 20% and so develop a common school up to prohibitive at a significant level.
Naturally, an exception should be made for a number of industries that are strategically necessary (zeroing duties, or the minimum possible ones).
Then each of the parties will make its own smart strategic regulation, balancing between strategic necessity, marginal efficiency, and promising new industries.
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I do understand being afraid of China and such, however I don’t grasp why the China relations are on a brink while we massage the balls of the orange dude in US.
EU is doomed led by this corrupt lady.
F china they want to control us indirectly same as the us. So f them Europe needs to forge our own path.
I don’t understand how we can reduce the trade deficit tough. Our car sector, that was one of our strongest point, is shit now and can’t be competitive in China where you get EV at cheap price, both Stellantis and Wolkswagen are not in a good position right now. We export mainly farmaceutics, luxury items and Airbus, but China is a manufacturing country, what could they possibly need? We are dependant on their raw material, on batteries and EV, on technology, 90% of out solar panels are chinese. I don’t like the way Von Der Layen is approaching things, i want to hear about a project for an european re-industrialization, but all i hear is how to put trade barriers and stupid bureaucratic laws. And i’m honestly baffled at their arrogance, they are in a weaker position but they like to play hardball.
They’re at an inflection point but we will just carry on through without doing anything much about it. China doesn’t even acknowledge it is doing anything and the EU isn’t capable of dynamic positioning to respond to events anyway.
No shit, they support our enemies quite openly and want to economically decimate us
Fuck them
People demand we should do something against China, but never tell what exactly, and obviously we don’t want Chinese to begun supporting Russia openly because it would harm Ukraine a lot.
The way forward, as I see it, is a strategic decoupling from the U.S., and for Europe to maintain a balanced relationship based on trade with both east and west. Accusing China of weaponizing their “industrial overcapacity” makes the EU seem weak, as if we can merely _demand_ an equal seat at the table.
Why would you even want a relationship with a dictatorship like China? EU is full of losers.
We should start using their tricks. OK, EV import allowed, but only if you set up factory in EU, and hire EU citizens to help you.
The main thing we want to learn is how they get the supply line setup. Their automation tech is also worth having.
If we want to skill up our auto industry, we should have them show us what they do. They stole all their stuff Tesla, do the same to them.
I would agree on a piecemeal mutual increase in duties, which would look like this: with a balance of trade (or a slight imbalance of +/- 10%), minimal mutual duties.
For products that are supplied above (an imbalance of up to -30%), duties increase by 20% and so develop a common school up to prohibitive at a significant level.
Naturally, an exception should be made for a number of industries that are strategically necessary (zeroing duties, or the minimum possible ones).
Then each of the parties will make its own smart strategic regulation, balancing between strategic necessity, marginal efficiency, and promising new industries.