>Nigel Farage is “on the side” of predators like Jimmy Savile with his criticism of the Online Safety Act, the technology secretary has suggested.
>Peter Kyle, the secretary of state for science, innovation and technology, said Reform UK’s policy of repealing online safety laws means Farage has taken the side of “people out there who are extreme pornographers peddling hate, peddling violence”.
> Under the new requirements, which came into effect last week, social media companies and websites need to meet strict rules – including “robust” age checks to prevent access to pornography.
>Reform UK has pledged to scrap the Online Safety Act, which it has labelled a “massive overreach” that risks plunging the United Kingdom into a “borderline dystopian state”.
>“Any student of history will know that the way countries slip into this sort of authoritarian regime is through legislation that cloaks tyranny inside the warm fuzz of safety and security and hopes nobody reads the small print”, former Reform chair and prominent spokesperson Zia Yusuf told a press conference on Monday.
eloyend on
Same old same old “Why don’t you think of the children?!”
LuckieDuckid on
I will say this until I’m blue in the face.
You can literally stop kids seeing porn online without forcing people to show their identification, simply standardise parental controls and allow community made block lists, and make an app that you can put on your child’s device that puts a flag into internet traffic that says “this user is under 18” and porn websites could just look for this flag and refuse the request.
Old_Yak2325 on
For Christ’s sakes.
I loathe Farage with a passion, but this kind of two-dimensional ‘with us or against us’ discourse does nobody any good. Stating that the government have overstepped the mark on this one does not inherently make someone a friend of the nonces.
scarab1001 on
I honestly think Labour have given up and now want to be an opposition party.
Setting up themselves as being completely tone death to the electorate and promoting Reform.
Absolute assholes. We are on path to a Reform government folks.
dat_9600gt_user on
God damn it, why are you making me agree with the Chief Brexiteer here, Starmer?
Thetonn on
Earlier this year, despite multiple credible accusations of collusion between the police and local authorities in relation to grooming gangs, Starmer and Labour voted against having a proper national enquiry, saying it wasn’t needed, with Starmer putting his own personal credibility on the line saying he knew it wasn’t because of all of his experience on the topic, and the people calling for one were far right lunatics. A few months later, an audit suggested that there did need to be one, and Starmer then set one up.
Starmer was also the Director of Public Prosecutions during the grooming gang period, and famously failed to prosecute a large number of sex pests during his time.
I think it is a *really* bad move to try to fight another political battle on that terrain.
BalianofReddit on
Nope. I dont trust farages motives, but it’s clear this bill is not fit for purpose.
Let alone the fact its trivially easy to circumvent, there seems to be no attempt to prevent identity theft, secure british citizens’ identities through verification companies, or specifixally distinguish the content it is intended to combat.
Labour should be ashamed of defending this legislation
Mumbert on
Wow.
Nigel Farage is right.
What a world we live in. 🤦♂️ Labor are morons, what a dumb thing to say or think.
gar1848 on
To be clear, Farage would gleefuly approve a similar law if it meant censoring queer people or scientific datas he doesn’t like
However Starmer is only fueling Reform’s rise to power by acting as a discount version of the Tories
Donuts2010 on
“The cabinet minister continued: “When it comes to online activity, we have seen unfettered access of adults to children via social media. When we put in the age verification, it stops strange adults getting in touch with children …”
I don’t think the minister is aware of what the act actually does in practice.
cornedbeef101 on
Could we ctrl-a delete the whole lot of them and put some competent adults in parliament please?
I’m starting to believe guy fawkes was on to something.
AffectionateTown6141 on
As a leftie who hates reform… this is one of the few things I side with. The Tory + Labour authoritarian bill is a breach of our rights. It has nothing to do with child safety and everything to do with control and data collection.
KittenHasWares on
Labour have all but handed reform the next elections, I can’t believe how incompetent they’ve been and at times actively malicious against their own voter base.
oxford-fumble on
The problem with saying this is that you’re accusing Farage of something you cannot prove, and does not pass the common sense test. Like, I’m not sure I’m for the osa, so does that make me on the same side as jimmy saville?
Next time you accuse Farage of something he deserves, people who want to listen will use this as an excuse to dismiss the accusation.
Well played Peter Kyle…
GodZ_n_KingZ on
Once again, the left eating itself.
McFuzzyChipmunk on
Another argument I see all the time is “Why would you care about your ID being attached to your website traffic? If you have nothing to hide then it shouldn’t be an issue.” Which seems like a perfectly reasonable statement. In light of this I would also suggest that we put a government operated CCTV camera in every room in every house in the UK in order to better prevent crime. Because after all, if you have nothing to hide it shouldn’t be a problem right?
Prodiq on
Ahh the classic.
You don’t like mass surveillance? You know we do it for the kids, right? You must be a pedophile than!
You are either with us or against us! Everyone who we don’t agree with is a nazi, fascist etc.
Abel_V on
I wouldn’t trust Farage to actually overturn this bill, rather than use it for his own reactionary ends. He says whatever is pooular in the moment, like a true populist. But this here is evidence of what makes this bill even more dangerous: You should never hand that kind of power to “The Next Guy” .
XX_bot77 on
I know it’s the first act to erase any privacy protection and launch mass surveillance policies but they do it in such comical and unsubtle way. Like our predident is married with a predator and our prime minister has covered up a school where children were being sexually abused but somehow they do that “for the kids”. Sorry I need to laugh.
AnyAlps3363 on
‘You don’t want snowball to come back, do you?’ The pig asked.
cookiesnooper on
What a load of bullshit. Put pressure on the parents to take care of their little shitheads instead of screaming ; but think of the children ;. Demanding millions of people to identify themselves because the parents can’t be half-assed to get an interest in actual parenting is nothing else but a cover to censor and control the information on the internet
Much_Horse_5685 on
Whoever blocks online CSA support groups under their “porn age verification” system is on the side of predators. And I’m saying this as someone who hates Nigel Farage with the fury of a thousand suns and is aware of his support for the orange nonce.
Talkycoder on
By their logic, so are all the 400k petiton signees. I think you’ve got bigger problems if there are 400k supposed predators in your country, Labour.
Remember, this is the party who was surprised at the mass Reform wins in the local council elections. They are so out of touch with the people and so far away from their parties core principles that it’s insane.
Objective_Mousse7216 on
More and more votes going to Reform, Labour are such idiots.
irtsaca on
This is pathetic.
berejser on
Being opposed to creeping authoritarianism does not mean that someone is on the side of predators.
yezu on
This is such an easy win for Nigel.
Nachooolo on
Labour giving Farage an easy win by being puritan cunts.
It is incredible the amount of self-sabotage Keir Starmer has been able to do since taking office…
Illustrious_Peach494 on
ah, so labour finally admitting that osa wasn’t about seeing porn online, but about the scanning private messages in end to end encrypted chat applications.
penis-muncher785 on
I get second hand embarrassment when parties double down on genuinely unpopular policy while already being unpopular it’s also hilarious
Vaxtez on
Labour are just coming across as complete arses over this. There’s alot of valid reasons to hate this god awful law and doing so doesn’t make me on the side of predators whatsoever. It’s a valid reason to hate this law due to the stupid things it expects of websites, which has forced a fair few to geoblock the UK or made some small websites shut down, causing users to lose a plethora of knowledge on niche topics.
No-Source-9920 on
What a stupid argument by Labour. Literally no one wants this “safety” act. It does absolutely nothing. Anyone with half a brain in the IT sector can tell you as much.
Costin_Razvan on
You know how you don’t protect kids online?
Creating an entire system of IDs that can and will be abused by everyone, especially kids.
That system will not only make it less safe, because kids will use parents ID to fake ones, but also make them recognizable among many other people.
The way you protect kids is by ensuring anonymity on the net stays there. That ALSO includes being able to make accounts without any real recognizable data. Including e-mail accounts.
I started using the net around 2001-2002, was fairly young. I saw some deep shit.
I was never preyed on, because I never had any info that could be used to recognize me. My parents never cared what I did on my PC, but they made sure to drill into my head that I was not to share real life about myself. Especially NOT my photo, address, location or payment.
I have many accounts I created 20 years ago that have NEVER been hacked because I was careful.
AlfonsoTheClown on
This whole online safety act debacle has shown everyone in the UK that Labour doesn’t care about what you want, but about control
Aliktren on
Look Kier, you had one job which was to sensible govern to reinstate peoples confidence in governance and now youve got me agreeing with a proto facist, wtaf
Quite likely this statement is an offence under the act. I hope he’s charged.
IAPEAHA on
This is a very desperate play by Labour. They know this is unpopular and this cabinet has already been all over the place trying to get reform voters to their side. But it’s not working.
Kickstart68 on
Irrespective of the Online Safety Act, he fawns over Trump.
ih8reddithdjsk on
Yeah anyone that wants privacy and less government over each is automatically on the side of predators?
F*ck me what a time to be alive 🤦🏻
Chunky_Monkey4491 on
Pathetic line of attack. You’re just calling everyone who also does not want censorship a nonce.
Independent-Day-9170 on
Look at the idiots handing Farage a legit issue to attack them with.
No-Adhesiveness-4251 on
And this is exactly why censorship regulation is so hard to fight back against. Politicians don’t understand nuance. Nobody wants kids to see shit they shouldn’t but also NOBODY WANTS TO BE ID-GATED FROM THE WEB
Truffely on
Hey, I’m from a couple centuries back, I just wanted to say that they want their retoric back.
Chazzwazz on
the classical polarization of politics, where no matter if you are right or left you are always doing something evil
hexmasx on
Labour in 2084: If you don’t support the criminalisation of thought crimes, you’re on the side of paedophiles, racists and aristophobes. Glory to our Supreme Leader!
JohnnyElRed on
How awful of a job is Labour doing, that is putting Nigel Farage of all people on the right side of the argument?
KopiteTheScot on
Labour have done a catastrophic job with their optics so far. It’s almost as if they WANT Farage in and are just passing the time by trying to piss off as many people across the political spectrum as possible.
Professor_Kruglov on
I remember, when growing up, I was told to never upload my ID to the internet, even if websites asked me to do so.
Unplanned_Unaware on
This is exactly how we will end up electing crazy people like in the US.
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>Nigel Farage is “on the side” of predators like Jimmy Savile with his criticism of the Online Safety Act, the technology secretary has suggested.
>Peter Kyle, the secretary of state for science, innovation and technology, said Reform UK’s policy of repealing online safety laws means Farage has taken the side of “people out there who are extreme pornographers peddling hate, peddling violence”.
> Under the new requirements, which came into effect last week, social media companies and websites need to meet strict rules – including “robust” age checks to prevent access to pornography.
>Reform UK has pledged to scrap the Online Safety Act, which it has labelled a “massive overreach” that risks plunging the United Kingdom into a “borderline dystopian state”.
>“Any student of history will know that the way countries slip into this sort of authoritarian regime is through legislation that cloaks tyranny inside the warm fuzz of safety and security and hopes nobody reads the small print”, former Reform chair and prominent spokesperson Zia Yusuf told a press conference on Monday.
Same old same old “Why don’t you think of the children?!”
I will say this until I’m blue in the face.
You can literally stop kids seeing porn online without forcing people to show their identification, simply standardise parental controls and allow community made block lists, and make an app that you can put on your child’s device that puts a flag into internet traffic that says “this user is under 18” and porn websites could just look for this flag and refuse the request.
For Christ’s sakes.
I loathe Farage with a passion, but this kind of two-dimensional ‘with us or against us’ discourse does nobody any good. Stating that the government have overstepped the mark on this one does not inherently make someone a friend of the nonces.
I honestly think Labour have given up and now want to be an opposition party.
Setting up themselves as being completely tone death to the electorate and promoting Reform.
Absolute assholes. We are on path to a Reform government folks.
God damn it, why are you making me agree with the Chief Brexiteer here, Starmer?
Earlier this year, despite multiple credible accusations of collusion between the police and local authorities in relation to grooming gangs, Starmer and Labour voted against having a proper national enquiry, saying it wasn’t needed, with Starmer putting his own personal credibility on the line saying he knew it wasn’t because of all of his experience on the topic, and the people calling for one were far right lunatics. A few months later, an audit suggested that there did need to be one, and Starmer then set one up.
Starmer was also the Director of Public Prosecutions during the grooming gang period, and famously failed to prosecute a large number of sex pests during his time.
I think it is a *really* bad move to try to fight another political battle on that terrain.
Nope. I dont trust farages motives, but it’s clear this bill is not fit for purpose.
Let alone the fact its trivially easy to circumvent, there seems to be no attempt to prevent identity theft, secure british citizens’ identities through verification companies, or specifixally distinguish the content it is intended to combat.
Labour should be ashamed of defending this legislation
Wow.
Nigel Farage is right.
What a world we live in. 🤦♂️ Labor are morons, what a dumb thing to say or think.
To be clear, Farage would gleefuly approve a similar law if it meant censoring queer people or scientific datas he doesn’t like
However Starmer is only fueling Reform’s rise to power by acting as a discount version of the Tories
“The cabinet minister continued: “When it comes to online activity, we have seen unfettered access of adults to children via social media. When we put in the age verification, it stops strange adults getting in touch with children …”
I don’t think the minister is aware of what the act actually does in practice.
Could we ctrl-a delete the whole lot of them and put some competent adults in parliament please?
I’m starting to believe guy fawkes was on to something.
As a leftie who hates reform… this is one of the few things I side with. The Tory + Labour authoritarian bill is a breach of our rights. It has nothing to do with child safety and everything to do with control and data collection.
Labour have all but handed reform the next elections, I can’t believe how incompetent they’ve been and at times actively malicious against their own voter base.
The problem with saying this is that you’re accusing Farage of something you cannot prove, and does not pass the common sense test. Like, I’m not sure I’m for the osa, so does that make me on the same side as jimmy saville?
Next time you accuse Farage of something he deserves, people who want to listen will use this as an excuse to dismiss the accusation.
Well played Peter Kyle…
Once again, the left eating itself.
Another argument I see all the time is “Why would you care about your ID being attached to your website traffic? If you have nothing to hide then it shouldn’t be an issue.” Which seems like a perfectly reasonable statement. In light of this I would also suggest that we put a government operated CCTV camera in every room in every house in the UK in order to better prevent crime. Because after all, if you have nothing to hide it shouldn’t be a problem right?
Ahh the classic.
You don’t like mass surveillance? You know we do it for the kids, right? You must be a pedophile than!
You are either with us or against us! Everyone who we don’t agree with is a nazi, fascist etc.
I wouldn’t trust Farage to actually overturn this bill, rather than use it for his own reactionary ends. He says whatever is pooular in the moment, like a true populist. But this here is evidence of what makes this bill even more dangerous: You should never hand that kind of power to “The Next Guy” .
I know it’s the first act to erase any privacy protection and launch mass surveillance policies but they do it in such comical and unsubtle way. Like our predident is married with a predator and our prime minister has covered up a school where children were being sexually abused but somehow they do that “for the kids”. Sorry I need to laugh.
‘You don’t want snowball to come back, do you?’ The pig asked.
What a load of bullshit. Put pressure on the parents to take care of their little shitheads instead of screaming ; but think of the children ;. Demanding millions of people to identify themselves because the parents can’t be half-assed to get an interest in actual parenting is nothing else but a cover to censor and control the information on the internet
Whoever blocks online CSA support groups under their “porn age verification” system is on the side of predators. And I’m saying this as someone who hates Nigel Farage with the fury of a thousand suns and is aware of his support for the orange nonce.
By their logic, so are all the 400k petiton signees. I think you’ve got bigger problems if there are 400k supposed predators in your country, Labour.
Remember, this is the party who was surprised at the mass Reform wins in the local council elections. They are so out of touch with the people and so far away from their parties core principles that it’s insane.
More and more votes going to Reform, Labour are such idiots.
This is pathetic.
Being opposed to creeping authoritarianism does not mean that someone is on the side of predators.
This is such an easy win for Nigel.
Labour giving Farage an easy win by being puritan cunts.
It is incredible the amount of self-sabotage Keir Starmer has been able to do since taking office…
ah, so labour finally admitting that osa wasn’t about seeing porn online, but about the scanning private messages in end to end encrypted chat applications.
I get second hand embarrassment when parties double down on genuinely unpopular policy while already being unpopular it’s also hilarious
Labour are just coming across as complete arses over this. There’s alot of valid reasons to hate this god awful law and doing so doesn’t make me on the side of predators whatsoever. It’s a valid reason to hate this law due to the stupid things it expects of websites, which has forced a fair few to geoblock the UK or made some small websites shut down, causing users to lose a plethora of knowledge on niche topics.
What a stupid argument by Labour. Literally no one wants this “safety” act. It does absolutely nothing. Anyone with half a brain in the IT sector can tell you as much.
You know how you don’t protect kids online?
Creating an entire system of IDs that can and will be abused by everyone, especially kids.
That system will not only make it less safe, because kids will use parents ID to fake ones, but also make them recognizable among many other people.
The way you protect kids is by ensuring anonymity on the net stays there. That ALSO includes being able to make accounts without any real recognizable data. Including e-mail accounts.
I started using the net around 2001-2002, was fairly young. I saw some deep shit.
I was never preyed on, because I never had any info that could be used to recognize me. My parents never cared what I did on my PC, but they made sure to drill into my head that I was not to share real life about myself. Especially NOT my photo, address, location or payment.
I have many accounts I created 20 years ago that have NEVER been hacked because I was careful.
This whole online safety act debacle has shown everyone in the UK that Labour doesn’t care about what you want, but about control
Look Kier, you had one job which was to sensible govern to reinstate peoples confidence in governance and now youve got me agreeing with a proto facist, wtaf
[https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2023/50/section/179](https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2023/50/section/179)
Quite likely this statement is an offence under the act. I hope he’s charged.
This is a very desperate play by Labour. They know this is unpopular and this cabinet has already been all over the place trying to get reform voters to their side. But it’s not working.
Irrespective of the Online Safety Act, he fawns over Trump.
Yeah anyone that wants privacy and less government over each is automatically on the side of predators?
F*ck me what a time to be alive 🤦🏻
Pathetic line of attack. You’re just calling everyone who also does not want censorship a nonce.
Look at the idiots handing Farage a legit issue to attack them with.
And this is exactly why censorship regulation is so hard to fight back against. Politicians don’t understand nuance. Nobody wants kids to see shit they shouldn’t but also NOBODY WANTS TO BE ID-GATED FROM THE WEB
Hey, I’m from a couple centuries back, I just wanted to say that they want their retoric back.
the classical polarization of politics, where no matter if you are right or left you are always doing something evil
Labour in 2084: If you don’t support the criminalisation of thought crimes, you’re on the side of paedophiles, racists and aristophobes. Glory to our Supreme Leader!
How awful of a job is Labour doing, that is putting Nigel Farage of all people on the right side of the argument?
Labour have done a catastrophic job with their optics so far. It’s almost as if they WANT Farage in and are just passing the time by trying to piss off as many people across the political spectrum as possible.
I remember, when growing up, I was told to never upload my ID to the internet, even if websites asked me to do so.
This is exactly how we will end up electing crazy people like in the US.