Il piano del centro commerciale verde di St Stephen è abbattuto dalla pianificazione del consiglio di appello
https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2025/07/30/st-stephens-green-shopping-centre-plan-is-shot-down-by-planning-appeals-board/
di denbo786
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Is the plan where they wanted to destroy an iconic building and turn into a boring modern eye sore?
Jesus, I never thought I’d say this but… the planners are right! Thank goodness for that. St Stephen’s Green is a masterpiece of architecture. I can’t believe the plan got as far as it did. So happy to see this news.
I think the exterior should be listed. I get that it doesn’t work as a shopping centre due to the size of units but a soulless office block isn’t the answer
Just refresh it paint and leave it be….thank f they didnt t go with that proposal
Bravo
So embarrassing
Love the inside of it around Christmas especially. The clock is amazing.
Tbh I was all for demolition until I saw the new plans. Absolutely horrific. Fair play to the architects for somehow designing a worse building. Should never work again.
Thank God, what a fucking stupid idea to ruin such a beautiful building for no good reason.
>An Coimisiún Pleanála upheld a recommendation by its own inspector in the case to refuse planning permission. However, it said it did not share the view expressed by the inspector that the existing shopping centre represents an exemplar twentieth century building.
>Opening the door for a future application, the board concluded that replacing the existing facade, including the existing external trellis detailing and dome, would not contravene the city’s development plan, subject to an appropriately high quality “design solution for this key city centre location”.
>Appeals by An Taisce, shopping centre trader Emmett Rogers and activist Frank McDonald had seen the plan come before the appeals board.
What was this inspector smoking? It’s an eyesore shopping centre from 1988, not something by Frank Lloyd Wright. It’s the NIMBYs like Frank MacDonald that think Dublin was perfected in 1990 and nothing new should ever be built that has given us a housing crisis and terrible infrastructure.
It’s a much loved building that needs a bit of a revamp and maybe something done about the foot traffic flow internally and improve some of the unit sizes by perhaps combining some.
It’s in the most high footfall location in Ireland – I don’t believe that it could possibly need to go ultra dense other than the developers think they could charge more rent.
What they were proposing would spoil the character of the street – they just need to make more imaginative use of the same structure.
Irish architects seem to be obsessed with removing anything they consider to be “pastiche” while building bland, ugly boxes, many of which are pastiche of 1950, 60s and 70s modernism anyway.
It’s a bit mad, over the top, faux Victorian but it’s actually nice.
It’s one of the few modern buildings in dublin people actually like and have a warmth for.
Thank fuck for that. It’s a beautiful building and the proposal to replace it was ridiculous.
How many of you have spent actual money on that shopping centre in the last year?
Good. All this shopping centre actually needs is an internal renovation and a lick of paint on the outside.
The proposal just looked like a random boring Westfield shopping centre.
I have brought people in when they visit Dublin and they say it looks interesting, they love the styling. They take a few photos and leave without spending a penny because there is very little in there. That is the reason the city council granted permission to redevelop the shopping centre. The key word is shopping. The units are too small and essentially were not fit for purpose upon opening. The food court is horrible, the upstairs section has been empty pretty much since it opened. It admittedly has some charm but that is not enough to pay the bills these days. The city is not a museum.
It’s a great modern Dublin building.
The side that is on the street with the Gaiety Threate has nice complimentary design of brick and arches of similar look to the theatre.
The main facade reminds me of a botanical garden and very recognisable.
The inside is a great open space with lots of natural light and a big clock.
Round ball lambs and arches. Very pleasant to look at.
The owners just want to maximise profit and retail space with no sense of making a pleasant space to just walk and maybe buy a coffee and browse.
They want something like Jervis, a giant soleless money machine.
PVC nightmare….eyesore
Probably one of the quirkiest buildings in Dublin. Glad to see it’s been saved.
https://preview.redd.it/e18a3ygiz0gf1.png?width=800&format=png&auto=webp&s=535ae422d135d55d570c16f12556765a066856dc
Just remember what kind of “modern” monstrosity they tried to pull off! Faceless corporate banking building that you would forget faster than yet another Conor McG scandal.
This is the definition of let the past die, kill it if you have to.
Buildings don’t have souls. They need to serve a practical purpose. We don’t need to keep this building at all. The last time I walked through it, the shops looked shit and dated.
Be better served turning it into a useful practical office block/apartments or a big rack for people to lock their bikes up.
I think if the keep the facade it would be better and do whatever behind that. Or even if they kept the style inside and mixed it with a modern look.
I think the existing shopping centre is one of the few examples of aesthetically pleasing architecture we’ve pulled off in Dublin post-independence, anyway.
You can see how the internal layout reduces the usefulness and value of a lot of the space, particularly in the higher floors, as it’s a lot of small spaces, pokey units, and narrow walkways.
The facade and the central nave, with ornate glass surrounds, a courtyard-esque feel and balconies everywhere feels more like a Parisian apartment block than a Dublin shopping centre.
I can see why businesses would prefer a standard modern design, but if there’s a compromise to be found whereby they gut a lot of the inside while keeping the facade and nave that’d probably satisfy all parties.