Gli elettori di riforma preferiscono Corbyn a Starmer in quasi ogni metrica, nuovi show show
Reform Voters Prefer Corbyn to Starmer on Almost Every Metric, New Polling Shows
di DonSergio7
Gli elettori di riforma preferiscono Corbyn a Starmer in quasi ogni metrica, nuovi show show
Reform Voters Prefer Corbyn to Starmer on Almost Every Metric, New Polling Shows
di DonSergio7
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Or: Reform voters don’t remember they didn’t vote for him just 6 years ago.
Honestly, this just shows that Reform voters aren’t voting based on policies and similar ideas, just the idea of “old parties bad, new parties ^^that ^^are ^^exactly ^^the ^^same ^^as ^^old ^^parties good.”
If you were voting based on policies, then Labour are *far* closer to Reform’s stances (sans a lot of the most batshit ones) than anything Corbyn would put together.
Hell, Reform were in favour of the porn ban until Farage saw there was a chance to get free publicity from it, they share their stance on trans people…
I think commenters are missing the point of the piece a bit, which isn’t saying “Reform voters will vote for Corbyn’s new party in a general election” but more that Starmer is incredibly unpopular, seen as shifty and useless even by people who should be so totally against Corbyn they would vote for anyone else. Key quote
“However, it might surprise Labour strategists that Starmer’s mimicry of Nigel Farage has backfired so badly – and that Reform voters prefer a man considerably to his left.”
If I want Labour to lose, Id back the most likely choice to split the vote.
Lol really? Who did they actually ask? The local Spoons full of drunks who just thought that man looks like a mess.. must be hardcore.
A surprising amount of policies in Reform’s latest manifesto, are identical to policies in Corbyn’s 2017 and 2019 manifestoes.
By the same token, if you scratch away at most Reform supporters just a bit, they’re surprisingly left wing. Many just don’t even realise it.
But as a few knowledgeable people pointed out to me in another thread, should we even really be using “left” or “right” labels anyway? I think they’re handy for various purposes, and until all parties and the media stop using them, it’s a pointless debate, but you get what I mean.
The things most people care about in this country are largely the same, regardless of what “side” you put yourself on.
The problem with Reform is they have no real plans for any of their policy points.
It remains to be seen if Corbyn’s party will either.
Polls mean nothing and are rarely accurate outside of GEs
People prefer guy who stands on values no matter how dumb over puppet in a suit who doesn’t stand for anything
I suspect this is very much a “If Hitler invaded Hell I would make at least a favourable reference to the Devil…” situation though. However should they follow up with the obvious question as to how they rate Corbyn against Farage I stand willing to be corrected.
People support Reform, and indeed Corbyn because they want something different. Based upon the performance of this and the previous governments I don’t blame them.
Only thing I will say is be careful what you wish for.
If Corbyn was in power they’d say they prefer Kier – I’m not sure what this is supposed to mean
Preferring Corbyn to Starmer doesn’t mean Reform voters would vote for Corbyn. If you gain 10% of reform votes but end up losing 30% of non-reform votes, you are still toasted.
‘Almost every metric’
There is a glaringly obvious metric they haven’t tested here … which is deliberate
Wow lol anyone who takes away votes from labour is great in my eyes
The main thing I dislike about Corbyn as a lefty is how isolationist his views are. He’d have left Russia walk all over Ukraine into Eastern Europe.
I can’t say I’m surprised at all.
A lot of Reform voters aren’t pulled in by particular policies, it’s because they want an outsider to upset the apple-cart. More than anything, they want *change*, and they don’t really care what it is, because the status quo isn’t working for them. And of course, because governments are restricted by reality, and therefore have to temper what they promise to what is vaguely achievable; while those on the fringes throwing complaints around can promise the moon.
That logic would apply to supporting Corbyn just as much as it does to supporting Farage.
This is it. Many people vote reform as a protest vote because they’ve been getting fucked over by neoliberalism since Thatcher.
At least you know what Corbyn stands for even if he is a bit of a nutter. Starmer only stands for the Tories in a slight shade of red.
Do reform voters prefer Corbyn to Farage or are the pollsters stuck asking pointless questions?
I dont agree with Corbyn on much, but at least the bloke has principles he sticks to. Starmer is just a wishy washy middle manager that just adopts any old policy in the news that week
No shit. Extremist populists support extremist populists.
This doesn’t make the point Novara think it does. It just proves horseshoe theory.
It’s non-news isn’t it? We already knew they were idiots.
That’s like comparing do you like your balls being chopped off or your balls being set on fire.
As a leftie there is 0 chance of me ever voting for a party led by fucking Corbyn. Doddering waste of space.
All we need is a few more paranoid knee jerk reaction from starmer kicking MPs from the party with some deciding to go to Corbyn/sultana and they’ll have seats before even standing in a general election lol
Populist voters prefer populist to cenrist not suprised
Because they’re both populists
Horseshoe theory believers stay winning once again
To be honest, if it wasn’t for Corbyn’s pacifist stance and insistence on getting rid of our nuclear deterrent, then i think a pretty large majority of citizens would vote for him. Even those who parrot about immigration now, most of them would accept immigration if it meant making the inequality gap smaller. Most of them just believe that immigration is the cause of them being poor. When it’s a combination of both government policy and their own lack of using their personal agency to try and advance themselves.
Like him or not but who the fuck thinks Starmner represents change more than corbyn? You might not like the change but seriously
Apart from like the anti-British pro terrorist rhetoric stuff & communism you know because it doesn’t actually work & just makes everyone poorer! Lower taxes open or free debate, close borders, oh the death penalty.
Give it a few weeks, Klemperer and his mob will start up again.
If he wasn’t so pro-gaza he’d have my vote but his policies would collapse us inwards.
Climate change demands we make more food for less people. The socialist dream is dead.
I’d love for this to be a wake up call to Starmer and Labour.
Their desperate attempt to win over Reform voters have made almost no ground. If anything it’s done more to alienate people who actually voted for them to switch to the Lib Dems, Greens, Nationalist and independent parties as well as Corbyn’s new party.
Maybe throwing some meat to your base would get these voters back rather than just threatening them with Prime Minister Farage. If anything from this poll it might do more to appeal to Reform voters than being a half-arsed Farage knock off.
What a shame that the next general election isn’t until 2029…
The thing with Jeremy is you know what he stands for. Like it or not. I don’t, but at least I’m not confused by him.
If it takes votes of reform while labour holds the centre than I’ll be happy with that imo
Has reform flipped their position on electoral reform yet?
It is inevitable given their lead in polling.
Part of it is disaffection with Labour and Tories tbf
But maybe Starmer could listen to him and realise the country maybe wants a more left-wing government rather than a big tent collapsing inward.