Italian here: as much as I dislike Meloni, the EU’s position on the migratory crisis is basically “it is an EU problem and common effort is requested, in the meantime Italy please take care of it.” Migrants are fertile ground for populism, and by doing this the EU is basically doing a favor to far-rights all over the EU.
mschuster91 on
Yet another far right leader discovers that, unlike in the times of the Führer, yes there are limits to one’s power.
I just hope the court won’t eventually relent similar to how they relented in IP connection data storage (“Vorratsdatenspeicherung”), because that is what these authoritarian fucks game for.
Sium4443 on
We need to get our ass out of EU.
Legatus_Aemilianus on
I’m very pro-eu but surely the idea of a court comprised of non-Italians, making rulings on domestic *Italian* law, is a serious threat to the sovereignty of Italy, no?
TheoryOfDevolution on
Yeah, this is only going to fuel anti-EU sentiment.
eraser3000 on
For those salivating at the thought of whatever, the matter was in the hands of the Italian court that escalated it to the European court of justice. AFAIK the Italian court was already of the same opinion of the ecj
Germanicus15BC on
This is what Brexit voters wanted to get away from…..but even that didn’t stop uncontrolled mass immigration.
Objective_Mousse7216 on
Italexit
No-Adhesiveness-4251 on
I love seeing people talk about restricting the EU courts as if we don’t need those same courts to prevent shit like chatcontrol from becoming a permanent feature of the EU.
Stop making it easier to strip yourselves of your basic rights.
Soepkip43 on
Courts use applicable law. So if they want this they need to change the law.
cstras23 on
Kinda wild that a collection of people from other countries get to decide what a sovereign nation can and can’t do
MercatorLondon on
EU top court is working hard against EU
Diagoras21 on
There will be a day the terms asylum seeker and refugee will be scrapped in the law books.
Adorable-Ad3009 on
While I don’t necessarily agree with this decision, it’s worth noticing that it is based on a quite clear law.
I am inclined to think that the EU is letting the ECJ do the dirty work, while lacking the political will to actually change the european immigration framework, which is, in my opinion, quite an urgent matter.
PineBNorth85 on
Do it anyway.
Soft_Dev_92 on
EU top court is beyond delusional
Banewolf on
Fascist Barbie Meloni can get fucked with a Sandpaper D*ldo!
Dracogame on
This is what happens when the government is incompetent and promises illegal solutions to a problem they can’t fix.
Now they can blame Europe for their own shortcomings.
Emotional_Pay3658 on
What would happen if Italy said fuck you and did it anyways?
daiaomori on
I also fume a lot, lately.
Not because of the EUGH, though, but because of all the Nazi pricks in power.
thebolddane on
So the EU court agrees with what the Italian court finds but it’s a “power grab”? Secondly these verdicts are based on law, if you disagree provide a legal argument. When saying a country is safe, provide evidence, they seem to have failed both in Italy itself and now in Strasbourg.
No-Count-7717 on
These courts who appoint these people? It seems to only be positive for corporations who can exploit workers and keep wages low, keep house expensive
Zhelthan on
I was always pro asylum seekers. What we have is imported criminals. I work on daily basis with asylum seeker they are not the same thing.
YakDue6821 on
As a romanian, in 2022, former google employee in Munich, after 7 years I checked the possibility of german citizenship path because it was easier to have trips to USA (required by job, not because I ever wanted to move or have anything to do with USA), illegal migrants without even knowing the language were actually favored and offered a way easier path to that with less years spent in the country and without speaking the language or even knowing anything about european history or culture. I’m sorry but you guys create your own path to extremist governments.
Fantastic-Yogurt5297 on
The EU is really suiciding itself off a cliff
No_Regret_9475 on
Ofcourse those who don’t have to live with the consequences chose the most idiotic thing possible
I_write_you_read on
the EU judges which are here to defend European democracy will be the first cause of European implosion, leading to the end of democracies…
macandcheesefan45 on
Now I recall why we left the EU. I’m a Brit.
GandalfTheSexay on
This will turn out well for the EU
AsianWinnieThePooh on
Same country that arrested a YouTuber for using an emulator?
Quazz on
Title is incredibly misleading.
The EU basically says, you have to actually follow the rules laid out, not just make shit up.
But I’m sure r/europe won’t immediatly leap on it as “this will only help the far right”
ScotsDale213 on
“The Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) said EU nations may only create national lists of safe countries outside the bloc if they fully justify their assessments with public sources.
According to the court, a country can only be considered “safe” for repatriation if “the entire population” is protected across all regions.”
So…. If you want to repatriate asylum seekers outside the EU you need to prove using public sources that you are not sending them to a place they are likely to be harmed. Seems reasonable enough to me. As much as people might not like asylum seekers, sending them into a death trap is definitely not good.
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Italian here: as much as I dislike Meloni, the EU’s position on the migratory crisis is basically “it is an EU problem and common effort is requested, in the meantime Italy please take care of it.” Migrants are fertile ground for populism, and by doing this the EU is basically doing a favor to far-rights all over the EU.
Yet another far right leader discovers that, unlike in the times of the Führer, yes there are limits to one’s power.
I just hope the court won’t eventually relent similar to how they relented in IP connection data storage (“Vorratsdatenspeicherung”), because that is what these authoritarian fucks game for.
We need to get our ass out of EU.
I’m very pro-eu but surely the idea of a court comprised of non-Italians, making rulings on domestic *Italian* law, is a serious threat to the sovereignty of Italy, no?
Yeah, this is only going to fuel anti-EU sentiment.
For those salivating at the thought of whatever, the matter was in the hands of the Italian court that escalated it to the European court of justice. AFAIK the Italian court was already of the same opinion of the ecj
This is what Brexit voters wanted to get away from…..but even that didn’t stop uncontrolled mass immigration.
Italexit
I love seeing people talk about restricting the EU courts as if we don’t need those same courts to prevent shit like chatcontrol from becoming a permanent feature of the EU.
Stop making it easier to strip yourselves of your basic rights.
Courts use applicable law. So if they want this they need to change the law.
Kinda wild that a collection of people from other countries get to decide what a sovereign nation can and can’t do
EU top court is working hard against EU
There will be a day the terms asylum seeker and refugee will be scrapped in the law books.
While I don’t necessarily agree with this decision, it’s worth noticing that it is based on a quite clear law.
I am inclined to think that the EU is letting the ECJ do the dirty work, while lacking the political will to actually change the european immigration framework, which is, in my opinion, quite an urgent matter.
Do it anyway.
EU top court is beyond delusional
Fascist Barbie Meloni can get fucked with a Sandpaper D*ldo!
This is what happens when the government is incompetent and promises illegal solutions to a problem they can’t fix.
Now they can blame Europe for their own shortcomings.
What would happen if Italy said fuck you and did it anyways?
I also fume a lot, lately.
Not because of the EUGH, though, but because of all the Nazi pricks in power.
So the EU court agrees with what the Italian court finds but it’s a “power grab”? Secondly these verdicts are based on law, if you disagree provide a legal argument. When saying a country is safe, provide evidence, they seem to have failed both in Italy itself and now in Strasbourg.
These courts who appoint these people? It seems to only be positive for corporations who can exploit workers and keep wages low, keep house expensive
I was always pro asylum seekers. What we have is imported criminals. I work on daily basis with asylum seeker they are not the same thing.
As a romanian, in 2022, former google employee in Munich, after 7 years I checked the possibility of german citizenship path because it was easier to have trips to USA (required by job, not because I ever wanted to move or have anything to do with USA), illegal migrants without even knowing the language were actually favored and offered a way easier path to that with less years spent in the country and without speaking the language or even knowing anything about european history or culture. I’m sorry but you guys create your own path to extremist governments.
The EU is really suiciding itself off a cliff
Ofcourse those who don’t have to live with the consequences chose the most idiotic thing possible
the EU judges which are here to defend European democracy will be the first cause of European implosion, leading to the end of democracies…
Now I recall why we left the EU. I’m a Brit.
This will turn out well for the EU
Same country that arrested a YouTuber for using an emulator?
Title is incredibly misleading.
The EU basically says, you have to actually follow the rules laid out, not just make shit up.
But I’m sure r/europe won’t immediatly leap on it as “this will only help the far right”
“The Court of Justice of the European Union (CJEU) said EU nations may only create national lists of safe countries outside the bloc if they fully justify their assessments with public sources.
According to the court, a country can only be considered “safe” for repatriation if “the entire population” is protected across all regions.”
So…. If you want to repatriate asylum seekers outside the EU you need to prove using public sources that you are not sending them to a place they are likely to be harmed. Seems reasonable enough to me. As much as people might not like asylum seekers, sending them into a death trap is definitely not good.