Il presidente ceco considera l’occupazione russa di parti dell’Ucraina, un prezzo accettabile per la sua sopravvivenza. Crede che sia impossibile per l’Ucraina liberare tutti i territori nel prossimo futuro senza significative perdite umane.
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/08/4/7524727/
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The temporary Russian occupation of part of Ukrainian territory may be the necessary price for Ukraine’s survival as a sovereign state.
**Source:** Czech President Petr Pavel in an interview with the [BBC](https://www.bbc.com/audio/play/w3ct7wzx), as reported by European Pravda
**Details:** Pavel said that it would be unfair for the West to pressure Ukraine to immediately liberate all occupied territories. In his words, the West does not want the destruction of the Ukrainian nation.
The Czech president said that Ukraine is not currently in a position to liberate the areas occupied by Russia in the foreseeable future, even with Western support, without significant human losses.
“Right now, Ukraine, with all Western Support, is not in a position to liberate occupied territories in a short time frame without a significant cost to lives. And of course, it will be very unfair from the West to push Ukraine to liberate all occupied territories right now, because we don’t want to exterminate the Ukrainian nation. We want them to survive as an independent sovereign country. And if there is a cost to renewing Ukraine as an independent autonomous state, if the cost is to accept that part of the territory will be temporarily occupied, without recognising it legally, then so be it. We will never recognise these occupied territories as legally Russian,” Pavel said.
The Czech president believes that it is necessary to continue providing military aid to Ukraine, but, in his words, the war cannot be won on the battlefield. He believes that economic pressure from Europe and the United States is a more powerful tool to force Moscow to the negotiating table.
Pavel said that it was in the interests of both sides of the Atlantic to exert much greater economic pressure on Russia, noting that such pressure was very effective in terms of persuasion. He believed that, given the current state of the Russian economy, the Russians would not be able to withstand economic pressure for long. Therefore, he argued, if those measures were implemented, Russia would eventually have no choice but to sit down at the negotiating table, which it was currently refusing to do.
**Background:**
* In early July, Pavel stated that he [disagreed](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/07/8/7520674/) with the assertion that Russia is currently winning the war against Ukraine.
* He also [pointed out](https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/07/8/7520683/) that both Russia and Ukraine have their own problems and limitations that prevent them from gaining an advantage in the war.
I guess realistically he is not totally wrong. Whether it is so clever to say it out loud is a different question. I don’t see how it’s particularly helpful at this point.
He is being realistic. People in the west are egging poor Ukrainians to fight on with adequate means Ukraine to win for the fear of escalation. There’s a certain level of Ukrainians being bamboozled into this. It is Ukraine taking on human casualties. There is no way to win against the Russians by grinding it out.
Taking 200-300 Taurus and Tomahawks against Crimea or Moscow only for 2-3 nights. These are the two places which will matter. Putin may go for a tactical nuclear response. That’s when the generals will turn on him.
That’s exactly what Zelensky’s position is too.
All territory within the pre-1990 borders is Ukrainian, by law, and recognised as such by the world. Ukraine will fight for it’s territory, but is prepared to accept a ceasefire which leaves Russian in de-facto but not de-jure control of some parts of Ukraine. Those parts can be returned through political and economic pressure later.
I’m just here to say how impressively white all his hair is.
Luckily nobody cares what a Czech president says.
And if there is a cost to renewing Ukraine as an independent autonomous state, if the cost is to accept that part of the territory will be temporarily occupied, without recognising it legally, then so be it. We will never recognise these occupied territories as legally russian,” Pavel said.
Does he think the bodies won’t just keep piling up even if Ukraine lets Russia have the territories?
Coward. People like him forget what this is – a war of attrition. There’s no pausing a war of this kind, at least not forever. It’s a winner-takes-all kind of war and the choice is either Ukraine’s total subjugation or Russia’s total defeat and economic collapse.
Edit: downvoters are spineless cowards themselves.
The problem with giving Putin the land he has taken is that it just encourages him to take more down the line once they’ve recovered the resources to make it possible.
The fact that The West and Europe did nothing when Putin took Crimea played a very large part in his belief that he could invade Ukraine with minimal opposition.
You cannot encourage dictators when they invade neighbors because they will keep doing it.
There has to be another off ramp given to Putin to end the war.
…showing all your cards before negotiations even start… I want to play poker against this guy.
acting like a proper former (?) communist
Are there people believing otherwise? 🤔
The dude said the realest reality…
He’s right, we need to focus on Moscow, not eastern parts yet
There is absolutely no strategic benefit for a leader in favour of Ukraine publicly saying this, regardless of its validity. Say it to Zelenskyy behind closed doors, yes, but public capitulation like this does nothing but strengthen Russia’s hand.
Status : Acceptance
And guess what else? If the rest of the world don’t truly support Ukraine, even more of their soldiers are going to die!
If we are going to enunciate logical consequences to our non-actions, we can begin there.
The important part there is “temporary”. As well the reality is, that UA simply is not strong enough to liberate it now and he is not wrong. He basically says “lets negotiate peace, but we will never recognize ruSSia owns that area legally.
It is unfortnate reality, that Europe is in much worse situation than year ago, because USA is blackmailing EU. EU cant really afford trade war with US and has to just give in to blackmailers.
Stopping the war at Ukraine for a while would give EU much better position for next couple years until there is not complete moron in charge of USA.
>The temporary Russian occupation of part of Ukrainian territory may be the necessary price for Ukraine’s survival as a sovereign state.
The subtitle of that article.
And the very reason why Russia will keep going now rather than later, if it is declared a ‘temporary’ occupation by any political power.
That’s not unrealistic. But they shouldn’t ever be recognized as russia’s. They are occupied territory. Sanctions should stay up/increase until russia gives them back. Go do commerce with north korea. Enjoy their quality of life
No. He didn’t say that, implying permanent. He very clearly said that if it came to it, a temporary and non recognized occupation could be a temp solution…
It took Europe some years and some millions of losses.
Realistic opinion. Everyone who thinks orherwise is delusionnal.
The only people who can determine that are Ukrainians themselves. If they want to surrender, they can. If they want to try to negotiate, they can. If they want to fight to the last person – they can. It’s their country and their choice – not this guys. He doesn’t get to tell others what their homes and freedoms are worth.
Precision strike on Putin is the only thing that will solve this mess, the rest will crumble into infighting like it always do when Russia changes leadership.
And that scenario, east Ukraine will see how wealthy West Ukraine becomes. And they will want to reunify long after there’s a new leader in Russia or a Baltic version of Russia.
No way, people are coming to their senses.
What lesson are we teaching the world? What do they loose? Nothing. I love Pavel but disagree on this one
Fuck that guy.
Kharkiv?
Why to even talk about it if it’s not even an option. Russia said multiple times that they want Ukraine to give up MORE than they captured AND stop all the western supplies AND make Ukraine neutral AND limit Ukrainian army. So next time they would easily do what they planned to do in 2022 – walk in Kyiv and put their puppet government.
And you know, they won’t stop there, it would only increase their appetite. Jesus, people just don’t learn from their mistakes. History is doomed to repeat itself.
According to the Czech president’s logic, larger countries have the right to annex parts of smaller countries. …
But wait a minute, the Czech Republic is neither a superlative in the European Union in terms of size nor in terms of power.
With 470 million EU citizens and the world’s second-largest economy after the USA, Russia has no chance of winning the war against Ukraine and the EU.
Fk ssr
Having read the article, the headline seems to misrepresent what he’s actually saying. He’s not saying that Russian occupation of Ukrainian territory is okay. He’s saying that he believes Ukraine cannot retake all it’s territory without very heavy losses and that the west may have to put up with Russia occupying those territories temporarily while a solution is found. He also implies that it’s up to Ukraine to decide what to do, not the west.
As unpalatable as it might be, the man served in the army for almost 40 years so he probably knows what he’s talking about when it comes to military matters.
He was also the first western leader to renew contacts with russia after invasion to Crimea.
They already lost parts of Ukraine… It wasn’t enough. It never will be. That’s not how psychopaths work.
The problem is
A. Russia wants the whole Ukraine.
B. Even if they say yes what stops Russia from attacking them in the future?
Hes not wrong.
Without the west’s boots on the ground, Ukraine is playing a defensive war that they’ve lost territory on.
If Europe gets involved, Ukraine can. Too bad Russia has nukes though.
Before posting stupid comments, make sure to actually read the quote. Because the title of this article is pure clickbait.
Whoever believes Ukraine can win shouldn’t be allowed to vote anywhere (it’s unfortunate but that’s how it is).