Perché il tasso di natalità in Germania continua a NOSETIVE
https://www.dw.com/en/why-the-birth-rate-in-germany-continues-to-nosedive/a-73499182
di diacewrb
Perché il tasso di natalità in Germania continua a NOSETIVE
https://www.dw.com/en/why-the-birth-rate-in-germany-continues-to-nosedive/a-73499182
di diacewrb
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Kids in this economy? No thanks
Eventually we will all have to stop repeating the lie that this has to do with cost of living. The problem is cultural, and it’s that simple. If peoples largest priority were marriage and child-bearing, then it would be easier than ever to do exactly that while also enjoying countless luxuries of modern life.
Comparison is the thief of joy and so it is that we would inevitably compare ourselves to unmarried colleagues on a beach in Mallorca, or hear some snarky remark about us having to bunk two children in the same room.
In a purely objective sense, with an average job, one can raise several children at several times the standard of living that one would just a few decades ago, but nobody makes these decisions objectively because child-bearing just *isn’t that important*. If it were, we would recognize this. In our minds, if the family doesn’t look like a hallmark ad, it isn’t worth having.
No problem… less people on the planet is good for it. I just wished there were less billionaires.
Well, how much for the appartment?
No hope in the future.
As everywhere…
Like people making children in the past did that for altruistic reasons.
Children were a retirement investment (especially for the women that didn’t own the land), free labor and social prestige “asset”.
Countries still having lots of children still hold those traditional values.
Once your lifelong professional career suffers from childbearing interruptions and childcare, that labour is either automated or offshored and that the state/the market gives you better and safer ROI, you don’t “need” children anymore.
Pretending past generations were more altruistic is simply a lie.
People will make more children when it will be worth it egoistically again, that’s all.
The answer is simple: there isn’t a place to make babies (meaning, housing is too expensive) and not enough resources to grow them up (meaning, food is too expensive).
obviously young people can’t afford anything, how would they afford a child?
Good.
It’s crazy everyone knows the answer but everytime the question is asked, leaders put their head in the sand.
We’re broke bitch. And there’s no housing.
Low salaries, high taxes and social security contributions and no pension security.
What a mystery!
No need for any big articles. Everything is extremely expensive, especially housing. With my girlfriend and our 2 full salaries we could not even really afford a 3 room apartment in my city.
Combine that with the future outlook looking like complete shit, especially in regards to wealth inequality, and it’s pretty fucking easy to see why.
In every country it nosedives
We don’t have the necessary day care. Simple as that.
The mothers have to severely reduce their working hours to make it work. A lot of people only have one child because of that reason alone.
If you don’t have grandparents nearby who can help out from time to time your screwed if your child gets sick or the Kindergarden is closed again because of some „development measures“
The mothers on the other hand who stay at home are missing in their line of work. Most often as nursing or social workers. It’s like an endless circle.
As long as conservative politicians don’t accept that the old family model no longer work, we won’t see an increase in births.
Well it’s a good thing we have AI and robots to replace us.
No offence… but this is a social problem, not a political one. It is only made into a political problem by society because it is easier to blame others than to work on oneself.
Society has decided not to have any more children.
Society has decided that it is more important to convince women that a career is more important than family.
Society has decided that as a double-income couple, you can afford everything more easily, which has driven up prices, especially for real estate, and society has decided to take the €1,500 for a three-bedroom flat because you are a double-income couple, instead of €1,000 for a family with 1 to 1.5 salaries.
Society has decided that the declining demand for children’s activities has driven up prices because attractions, such as museums, cinemas, family parks, etc., have to recoup their costs, but visitor numbers are declining.
At the end of the day, the idea of individualism is destroying social life.
Why I only have only one child:
When I was young, I couldn’t afford enough living space for two more kids (although I always wanted 3 children).
Now, when I earn enough to sustain my family and theoretically, I could spend an additional €1000 for two more bedrooms, I am just too old. I don’t want to put my wife through the risk of child bearing at her age, also I don’t want to be an ancient man when my kids will only grow up: I want to support them, not require their support.
So the main issue for me always was insane property prices: in Germany as well as in back in Moscow.
All the parental leave in the world, all the housing in the world, and all the money in the world cannot make a woman want kids who has decided that the physical, mental and social risks are too great.
It’s not just the money. It’s the mental load, the risk-reward ratio, and the notion that being a mother is not the pinnacle of existence for every woman.
Absolutely there are women who would love to have (more) children but can’t because of housing and money issues. But not all of them.
https://www.the-scientist.com/universe-25-experiment-69941
Having kids would ruin me financially, and it’s not like the costs of living are getting better here, so that’d screw *them* too. Especially if they want to go into higher education.
I’m terrified for the prospects of a future society for any kids I bring into the world.
This is a global phenomenon
There are a couple things:
* Housing affordability: You need a home and stability. Rent and buying prices basically keep rising faster than salaries, that gives uncertainty.
* Education: When you are educated, you factor in everything. Do the maths and decide if you can provide a good life for your kid.
* Job market: When the job market does not keep up with costs of living or is flaky. People will not jeopardise what they have. Think like a company, if no growth prospect, no hiring. So, if no growth prospect (job stability and pay rises above inflation) no kids.
* International instability: There are wars everywhere and some of them very close. That does not call for making kids.
If any of the above rises doubts to people, they will use birth control. You don’t want to bring a soul here if you think they won’t have a good life.
Housing, housing is expensive!! Education is long and has a diminishing return, outside the fact of just having diploma paper. In the end you still must gather valuable professional skills somewhere outside the school/uni.
Germany’s age demographics are terrible.
The large dominant generation of the last 70 years is retiring and will be supported by a much smaller cohort of taxpayers.
It’s a mushroom demographic. A small bunch of taxpayers, struggling with cost of living increases and unaffordable housing, can’t afford to have kids and must support great numbers of the elderly, themselves, and also pay for the country’s infrastructure
It’s not achievable. Something will collapse. And then anger and division will ensue.
It is not only economic problem. People just don’t want to have children. Personally, I don’t like most of children. My husband also. We have enough money to raise children, not in luxury, but comfortable life, but we don’t want to change our lives. Yes, we have pets. Problem is that economy is based on generational substitution. We should think how we can change that. I am 30 but I don’t believe I am going to have sufficient retirement, so I save money myself.
Being childless is revolutionary? It is the BASELINE now.
Having kids is like being a rebel nowadays.
And why is that?
In my opinion it is because parenthood is culturally OPTIONAL!
that is main reason. It is no longer one of the default activities in life, something people expect others and themselves to do.
You can have kids, but you don’t have too. If you feel the price and sacrifice is too big – you don’t.
And truth is – the price and sacrifice is too big. Not simply on material level.
It’s free real estate
Having kids is a pain in the ass. I really don’t think it’s about money. Why in the world would I have kids? It would destroy my fun lifestyle.
The answer is very simple and at the same time very difficult. It is the emancipation of women. If you give women more options in life than, ‘be a mother,’ some will invetably chose other options.
Putting aside the moral aspect of trying to walk back some of the freedoms women have gained access to (and there is a very strong argument to not do so), it is still debatable whether it could even be democratically done.
So if going back isn’t an option then we must find a way forward that encourages women to be mothers without restricting their freedom to choose otherwise.
I think we will end up settling on a Nazi policy funnily enough, which is just financial compesation for children and some social engineering thrown in as well.
we all know why. i’m so tired of these headlines
Ironically, Ursula’s (vdL) twitter profile bio mentions: “mother of seven”.
While Europeans can’t afford raising a child or two..
Because Quality of life is better than quantity of life?
Well I don’t feel so bad about our situation now
I have 1 kid. I’d love to have more, but I simply can’t afford it. And I very much doubt my circumstances are unique.
With what I earn ( not Germany) I’d struggle to live on my own, let alone having kids
Because society makes children a burden, not an asset. And, quite frankly, you can’t exit society to go live in the woods these days, now can you? Therefore, because people want to live and succeed in society, children are born more because of “oops” than “let’s do this” (higher birthrates in lower income areas), when they’re born at all. Because mom and dad can’t afford a house or apartment, and can’t afford food, and can’t afford clothes. Because all their money went to the top before they were even able to get a taste.
Long term, you can’t have growing societies with all the profit going to the top and scraps going to the bottom if you want your country to survive. People have to be able to earn enough money to comfortably grow families and create the next generation. You can’t hire people to stock shelves and perpetuate your country’s culture if those people are never born to begin with.
Too expensive
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My partner and me are planning on having children but want to save up money first… It’s a financial commitment and not to be taken lightly nowadays, at least in my opinion… If I hear from older generations it was like ” oh well we felt like it and then just got 3 kids right away” I mean you can still make it work but to give the kid a good basis you have to have some money stashed away I think… And then you need to love off of something and you need retirement plans and so on and so on….living just got so expensive I don’t want to have to put that pressure on a potential kid in any way
>Above all, young female academics are increasingly remaining childless. For this reason, Bujard said, the only way is to improve the compatibility of work and family.
>”The worst-case scenario is that there will be even more serious problems with social insurance in the long term with a continually sinking birth rate in 2030. That would cause serious harm to prosperity: Contributions for social insurance would have to go up, pensions would be lower, and there would also have to be more cuts in the health system and the care sector,” he said.
Yes, that means turning to a CARE ECONOMY instead of production and service economy. Capitalists really hate care economy since it means investing in individual humans instead of investing in undead capital accumulation for a rich minority.
Maybe because politicians make policy for the benefit of old people and rich people.
It is hard to be a normal young person having kids in a place build to appeal old people and the 1%.
I think the answer will remain a mystery.