NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said this week’s US-Russian summit may open the door to negotiations about Ukrainian territory, even as President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has continued to reject ceding land occupied by Russia.
Bridging the gap between Zelenskiy’s stance and Russian President Vladimir Putin’s demands on locking in gains in eastern Ukraine is among the most sensitive points as President Donald Trump prepares to meet Putin in Alaska on Friday in search of a deal to end the war.
If the process moves forward, territory would “have to be on the table,” along with security guarantees for Ukraine, Rutte said Sunday on ABC’s This Week. He suggested that could involve Ukraine acknowledging that it has lost control of some of its territory without formally giving up sovereignty over those regions.
We cannot have world order if aggressors are given even a portion of the shit they try to steal. Come on. Do better folks. Reach back to kindergarten rules if you must.
tauntauntom on
Ukraine should not have to give up land to an aggressor. If other countries want to negotiate they should give up their own land to Russia.
FaderJockey2600 on
Rutte has a history of deciding for others and giving away stuff that wasn’t his to give during his tenure as prime minister over here. It does not surprise me at all that he once again wants to ignore common sense and simple concepts as sovereignty and doing the right thing.
DulcetTone on
Zelenskyy should make a counter-offer: Putin gets Alaska
FoggyDayzallday on
Ok ok don’t get on me too hard because i think the 1991 borders should be in place….but… If you could and it ends everything and say NATO join in 10 years is approved….
Would you consider swapping Donbass for Crimea? One an industrial heartland…the other …is Crimea…
ChungsGhost on
If I were Ukrainian, the *only* way that I could accept the Russians’ indefinite theft of 20% of my homeland’s area plus the local Ukrainians trapped there would be **instant** acceptance of the remaining 80% of my homeland by NATO and the **immediate** forward deployment of NATO assets to military bases throughout free Ukraine. It’d fill me with pride to see an aircraft carrier from the Royal Navy operating out of Odesa or a couple Eurofighters from the Luftwaffe taking off from Lutsk.
Continuing on as a hypothetical Ukrainian with the Russians and Americans having condemned me and my people to this resurrection of the Munich Betrayal of 1938, I would lump all Americans with all Russians ‘till my dying day. Just as there have been “Good Russians™”, there’d now be “Good Americans™”. The differences between them are merely geographical.
The majority of Americans have proven beyond a shade of a doubt that they are no friends of Ukrainians when 77 million of them voted for round 2 of Emperor Hirocheeto and 90 million of them stood aside as non-voters because they had convinced themselves that Наrriѕ was just as bad as Hirocheeto. That leaves only 75 million who tried and *failed* to stand up for themselves and the civilized world by voting for Наrriѕ. That’s an undeniable minority of voting-age Americans.
Limp-Machine-6026 on
Then NATO Chief must be changed. We can’t reward invasion and war crimes. Putin must lose so bad that no one else will ever date that again in history. That is the only way to peace.
HorseyDung on
Paywall alert.
im_shayne on
Ukraine will not give up land
im_shayne on
Russia needs to give up St Petersburg if Ukraine gives up land
Berkamin on
If Ukraine is not at the table for negotiations, Ukraine is on the menu. This is not okay.
AlbanySteamedHams on
Is the NATO chief saying that NATO considers this on the table or that Trump-Putin consider this on the table?
The article is behind a paywall and headlines these days are all click bait.
drunkondata on
Why are NATO or the US trying to dictate the terms of peace between Ukraine and Russia.
Neither is giving anything but offering a piece of Ukraine?
> RUTTE: I do believe that. Donald Trump, the president, wants to end this. He wants to end the terrible loss of life. He wants to end the terrible damage being done to the infrastructure in Ukraine. So many people losing their lives, so much damage being done.
>And, clearly, these two big issues have to be on the table. One is territory. And we have to acknowledge at this moment that Russia is controlling some of Ukrainian territory. And the question will be how to go forward past a ceasefire, including what it means in terms of security guarantees for Ukraine.
>And let me add one important aspect here. When it comes to this whole issue of territory, when it comes to acknowledging, for example, maybe in a future deal that Russia is controlling de facto, factually, some of the territory of Ukraine, it has to be effectual recognition and not a political de jure recognition.
> And we all remember that Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia have embassies in Washington between 1940 and 1991, acknowledging Soviet Union — yes, controlling the territory, but never in terms of legally accepting that fact.
Munsalvaesche on
So I’ll ask the same question. I understand that rewarding naked conquest and aggression is a horrifying prospect and it should be avoided if possible. But what is the end game? Is it 1991 borders? Is it 1991 borders minus Crimea?
Are citizens of the US and EU countries willing to back the leverage necessary to achieve that?
Or is the hope to outlast Putin and the Russian economy? RU is taking about 500sqkm per month. It will slow through winter. Ukraine has built a really impressive set of fortifications between Slovyansk-Kramatorsk-Druzhkivka that will be sure to blunt further Russian aggression for quite some time. The situation in Pokrovsk/Kupiansk is very precarious. Ukraine lost their bargaining chip in Suzhda/Kursk.
What actually tilts the battlefield conditions back in Ukraine’s favor and is politically/materially feasible?
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*Hadriana Lowenkron for Bloomberg News*
NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte said this week’s US-Russian summit may open the door to negotiations about Ukrainian territory, even as President Volodymyr Zelenskiy has continued to reject ceding land occupied by Russia.
Bridging the gap between Zelenskiy’s stance and Russian President Vladimir Putin’s demands on locking in gains in eastern Ukraine is among the most sensitive points as President Donald Trump prepares to meet Putin in Alaska on Friday in search of a deal to end the war.
If the process moves forward, territory would “have to be on the table,” along with security guarantees for Ukraine, Rutte said Sunday on ABC’s This Week. He suggested that could involve Ukraine acknowledging that it has lost control of some of its territory without formally giving up sovereignty over those regions.
[Read the full story here.](https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-08-10/nato-chief-sees-ukrainian-land-on-the-table-as-trump-meets-putin)
We cannot have world order if aggressors are given even a portion of the shit they try to steal. Come on. Do better folks. Reach back to kindergarten rules if you must.
Ukraine should not have to give up land to an aggressor. If other countries want to negotiate they should give up their own land to Russia.
Rutte has a history of deciding for others and giving away stuff that wasn’t his to give during his tenure as prime minister over here. It does not surprise me at all that he once again wants to ignore common sense and simple concepts as sovereignty and doing the right thing.
Zelenskyy should make a counter-offer: Putin gets Alaska
Ok ok don’t get on me too hard because i think the 1991 borders should be in place….but… If you could and it ends everything and say NATO join in 10 years is approved….
Would you consider swapping Donbass for Crimea? One an industrial heartland…the other …is Crimea…
If I were Ukrainian, the *only* way that I could accept the Russians’ indefinite theft of 20% of my homeland’s area plus the local Ukrainians trapped there would be **instant** acceptance of the remaining 80% of my homeland by NATO and the **immediate** forward deployment of NATO assets to military bases throughout free Ukraine. It’d fill me with pride to see an aircraft carrier from the Royal Navy operating out of Odesa or a couple Eurofighters from the Luftwaffe taking off from Lutsk.
Continuing on as a hypothetical Ukrainian with the Russians and Americans having condemned me and my people to this resurrection of the Munich Betrayal of 1938, I would lump all Americans with all Russians ‘till my dying day. Just as there have been “Good Russians™”, there’d now be “Good Americans™”. The differences between them are merely geographical.
The majority of Americans have proven beyond a shade of a doubt that they are no friends of Ukrainians when 77 million of them voted for round 2 of Emperor Hirocheeto and 90 million of them stood aside as non-voters because they had convinced themselves that Наrriѕ was just as bad as Hirocheeto. That leaves only 75 million who tried and *failed* to stand up for themselves and the civilized world by voting for Наrriѕ. That’s an undeniable minority of voting-age Americans.
Then NATO Chief must be changed. We can’t reward invasion and war crimes. Putin must lose so bad that no one else will ever date that again in history. That is the only way to peace.
Paywall alert.
Ukraine will not give up land
Russia needs to give up St Petersburg if Ukraine gives up land
If Ukraine is not at the table for negotiations, Ukraine is on the menu. This is not okay.
Is the NATO chief saying that NATO considers this on the table or that Trump-Putin consider this on the table?
The article is behind a paywall and headlines these days are all click bait.
Why are NATO or the US trying to dictate the terms of peace between Ukraine and Russia.
Neither is giving anything but offering a piece of Ukraine?
Except that he [never actually said that.](https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/week-transcript-8-10-25-nato-secretary-general/story?id=124514011)
> RUTTE: I do believe that. Donald Trump, the president, wants to end this. He wants to end the terrible loss of life. He wants to end the terrible damage being done to the infrastructure in Ukraine. So many people losing their lives, so much damage being done.
>And, clearly, these two big issues have to be on the table. One is territory. And we have to acknowledge at this moment that Russia is controlling some of Ukrainian territory. And the question will be how to go forward past a ceasefire, including what it means in terms of security guarantees for Ukraine.
>And let me add one important aspect here. When it comes to this whole issue of territory, when it comes to acknowledging, for example, maybe in a future deal that Russia is controlling de facto, factually, some of the territory of Ukraine, it has to be effectual recognition and not a political de jure recognition.
> And we all remember that Lithuania, Estonia and Latvia have embassies in Washington between 1940 and 1991, acknowledging Soviet Union — yes, controlling the territory, but never in terms of legally accepting that fact.
So I’ll ask the same question. I understand that rewarding naked conquest and aggression is a horrifying prospect and it should be avoided if possible. But what is the end game? Is it 1991 borders? Is it 1991 borders minus Crimea?
Are citizens of the US and EU countries willing to back the leverage necessary to achieve that?
Or is the hope to outlast Putin and the Russian economy? RU is taking about 500sqkm per month. It will slow through winter. Ukraine has built a really impressive set of fortifications between Slovyansk-Kramatorsk-Druzhkivka that will be sure to blunt further Russian aggression for quite some time. The situation in Pokrovsk/Kupiansk is very precarious. Ukraine lost their bargaining chip in Suzhda/Kursk.
What actually tilts the battlefield conditions back in Ukraine’s favor and is politically/materially feasible?