Gli agricoltori irlandesi rivendicano un nuovo ciclo corsia significa strada troppo stretta per le mietili, mentre il gruppo locale arrabbiato per il “progetto in stile nordcoreano”
https://road.cc/content/news/farmers-claim-cycle-lane-means-road-too-narrow-combines-315405
di Imaginary-Candy7216
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Farmers will rage against any green development. Same as the ridiculous campaign against the greenway to Carlingford
>The Irish farming news site said the 3.5km stretch, currently subject to roadworks while the infrastructure is installed, is too narrow for large combines and farmers are “struggling to use the road because of the works and that larger combines have had to divert from using the road completely”.
So they’re complaining about the usability of the road *while roadworks are ongoing*.
Someone lost a wing mirror.
Honestly, it’s like Mad Max out there.
The Irish Cycling Campaign has expressed concerns too, notably last year when the project was consulted upon.
“In short, ICC is disappointed at the poor quality of the consultation material presented and the dearth of background context,” the group said at the time. “We urge Kildare County Council and TII to revisit the material and the general proposed designs, and to give interested parties, such as ourselves, a clear idea of why this trial is being proposed and where this design proposal fits into the national context.”
How often do they use the combine harvester. Do farmers really think that we shouldn’t improve roads for cyclists and pedestrians because of a minor inconvenience that only happens once a year.
Given the healy-rae necocracy in Kilgarvan, they’d know a thing or two about north Korean styles…
Anyone who invokes North Korea over a matter like this should be immediately laughed at
It’s nothing to do with the cycle lane. It’s a problem with the roadworks.
So long as the completed road can take a combine then everyone should be happy.
Have the farmers visited North Korea to compare projects or what?
100% with the farmers on this one. All county councils are forced to use the DMURS(Design Mannual for Urban Roads and Streets). Our local council engeering team have straight up accused locals of purposely running over bollards that locals had objected to.
According the engineers the cross roads with the bollards is designed to DMURS standards and their computer models says all vehicles should make the turn no issue. There is no mention of harvesters, massive tractors hauling massive tankers or other very common machinery in Rual towns and villages, within the DMURS guide.
The same guide is what dictates road width, cycle lanes and footpath size. Which for newly built roads is grand because everything can be fit onto the blank canvas, but is useless for exsisting roads because the guide gives priority to bike lanes, and will take road space to do so.
We need an engineering guide dedicated to rural areas that take all vehicles and machinery into account not just one standard ”HGV”.
>Irish farmers claim new cycle lane means road too narrow for combine harvesters,
Or maybe the combines are too wide for the road? As they are for many rural roads?
“North Korean Style Project” ffs lol
Ah finally, everything is back to normal post covid.
Christ local advocacy groups don’t make it easy to take them seriously. But stupid comments by them aside it’s quite funny the county council has managed to piss literally all the involved groups off with this.
Indeed, I agree as a cyclist – in the road next to mine here there are two bicycle lanes – one of them is a double but bicycles still use the road, so now we are left with an extremely narrow road especially with cars parking just because they got funding to paint the road.
Send him to north korea for a week see how he feels then
Ah yes , lets inconvenience everyone so that a small number of farmers can drive their combines on the road at most a half dozen times a year,
Farm machinery is getting bigger, this is a world wide trend but I am someone (who is involved in farming) who thinks the size of the machinery is insane. Contractors and farmers need to understand the infrastructure they have to use. Also while I think they shouldn’t be driving urban areas sometimes they don’t have much option.
On the other hand lots of new bits of road in my area are very narrow even without cycle lanes. New junctions of roads in my area are very narrow, not sure if it is down to the road classification or whatever, existing ones were narrowed with traffic calming. If you meet a tractor or lorry trying to take the turn you will need to back up. A new junctions less than a year had curbs making it a sharp corner, those curbs are getting very cracked and will soon be smashed. The bollards are getting taken out by tractors and trucks. (Lorries and pick up trucks, the pickups have been very popular in the past 2 years).
I’ve absolutely no problem with the cycling lanes and street up-grades that are currently rolling out around the country. But, the new road width they’re using in all these street renovations is too narrow, when I’m driving a lorry or bus, and I meet another lorry or bus we have to squeeze past each other. The only reason I can see that the lanes are so narrow is that the person responsible for the design googled the maximum legal width for busses and lorries and designed the lanes around that, but I think they forgot that buses and lorries have wing mirrors that stick out 80cm either side. Engineers wouldn’t do something so stupid, right?
Having previously driven buses in Dublin’s narrow city streets made even narrower by bicycle lanes I can empathise to an extent (am also a cyclist – so I wanna see more bike lanes – preferably ones totally seperate to vehicles) – but are they talking about this being too narrow while the works are ongoing or will be too narrow once it’s done?
Must try calling things I don’t like « North Korean » and see how that goes.
I have a theory on bike lanes. In my locality there are obscene undertakings to put in bike lanes that go to fucking nowhere!
One goes up just about the steepest hill in Ireland that Sean Kelly couldn’t tackle on the Lance Armstrong diet.
It leads out of town to nowhere. The other is off the M8 runs for about 500m but has meant months of work and total resurfacing of the road. It runs to a single house in the area but exists on both sides of the road. I don’t think legally it can even be accessed from one side as you have to cycle the motorway to get to it.
On the other side you have nothing for 20 miles on a busy road or a back arse road that I don’t even know where it leads to but neither have a cycle lane beyond this 500m run of nothingness anyway.
I’m in favour of bike lanes in general but these are obviously total wastes of money and will serve absolutely nobody.
So my theory is, are we installing bike lanes in useless places so we can say we meet a quota of x km’s of bike lane because we don’t actually have room for them in places we actually would benefit from them like town centres?