Elimina le tue vecchie e -mail per salvare l’acqua, afferma l’agenzia ambientale
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/delete-emails-water-drought-environment-agency-b2806240.html
di Cotirani
Elimina le tue vecchie e -mail per salvare l’acqua, afferma l’agenzia ambientale
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/delete-emails-water-drought-environment-agency-b2806240.html
di Cotirani
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The action of deleting involves processing the data which will actually increase usage. Leaving them to sit on drives untouched means they go unprocessed
Also do they not realise how puny emails are? Its literally just a text file (excluding any attachments of course). Processing that amount of data is less intensive than loading the page on their website that tells you to delete it
***selects all, and deletes 12 years worth of emails***
Minister -“WTF are you doing????!
Me – “Saving water, there’s a hosepipe ban in force don’t you know?”
I know, how about you fuck off?
We don’t have a shortage of water because I’ve got emails from 20 years ago still, we have a shortage of water because billions of litres leaks out of the pipes every fucking day – something that’s only getting worse.
Ahh, more shifting blame onto the public. Gotta love it.
Sure, the public could be way better about certain things, but this just isn’t it.
Emails stored in US and European data centers are causing low water levels in UK reservoirs? That’s certainly news to me.
I would rather the water industry had actually done it’s job and not just sacked off maintenance and service provision whilst making their main business plan to be decades of false accounting that allowed them to extract vast sums from the public into private hands whilst the service provision fell through the floor.
Any message the EA puts out that isn’t “Build more reservoirs you greedy cunts” is literally meaningless at this point.
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Why do they focus on people when companies and the infrastructure and water management companies should be taking the largest focus. Hell doesn’t ai use lot of water to keep servers cool.
So old email storage is probably on HDD. Let’s imagine there are 9 copies of this data (accounting for planned and unplanned datacenter outages, space for multiple indexes, unused space, error correction data, multiple copies for spindle load balancing etc).
10 TB is the most cost effective disk size, and an email compressed is perhaps 10 kb. 1 HDD is around 7 watts. Evaporation of 1 liter of water uses 2,260 kilojoules per kilogram.
Maths all that and it turns out 1 HDD for 1 year uses 97 liters of water per year, which means 1 redundantly stored email uses 0.000873 milliliters of water per year.
Or to write it another way, 300 emails stored for a year uses a single drip of water,
I can’t believe what I’ve just read. This has to be a joke, right? Right?
Excellent. I’ll redirect my entire inbox to “Deleted” and when I get pulled up on not doing anything at work, I’ll point to our environmental policy
Or hear me out.
We could:
– hold water companies accountable for poor maintenance and infrastructure.
– hold big corporations that use excessive water in their production commit to finding ways to reduce their water consumption by modernising and improving their manufacturing processes.
Are we really cooling data centers with clean water then just dumping it in the sea? And ifvwe are that’s certainly not a problem caused by the general public, that’s a problem caused entirely by cuntish behaviour by big businesses.
The 2020s will be seen by future generations the same way we now view the 70s in Britain… a time in which big government leeched off the working people, in which Britain was run by lunatics who had no real solutions to the real problems of people but wanted to discover a thousand new problems in their conveniences.
You will have the small loyal following of cultists who want socialism to work at any price…even at the cost of the economy, the nation and everything else…but while they bark like dogs gone mad in the heat now, in 1979, the Thatcher landslide led to 20 years of conservative rule… all because people saw how crap things were under socialism.
We are now at that point.
Perfect illustration of individual vs corporate responsibility.
“Burn your paperwork and most importantly, forget everything you know about us”
The environment agency wants to slap the government around with a brick and have them take on the big tech/AI companies if they want a significant difference.
Also, slap Thames Water’s CEO round the face with a brick for paying shareholders instead of fixing the damned pipes.
I love how UK Reddit gets angry over any old shit, and how primed everyone is to freak out. You’re like Mourinho begging for that yellow card.
Listen, I know it’s hot out. We’re (mostly) adults here. Just chill out, use some basic critical thinking and you’ll be okay.
It’s one of several optional pieces of advice to save on water during a drought/changing climate. Storing stuff on servers uses water, so if we all deleted our 20,000+ unread Gmail inboxes and whatever then I guess they’re saying stuff like that helps.
Now go and have a choc ice.
>Emails and photos stored on the cloud are supported by large water and energy-demanding data centres
Now think about how bad its going to get the more AI is used. Data cetners full of server racks with multiple cpus and power hungry gpus.
The entire size of wikipedia (-media) is 24gb compressed, about 50gb uncompressed.
I dont know how many emails this pillock thinks we have, but come on….
also, my archived emails are just sitting on storage, they are not being processed continually……
what a fucking stupid thing to say.
You know what, how about we just don’t use water at all? That’d make the EA happy I’m sure…
So instead of doing the job of government and ensuring we have fit for purpose utilities we blame the consumer. Congratulations.
The video this article autoplays on pageload uses the equivelant storage of 20,000 emails. If everyone who has commented so far clicked the link we’ve burned through nearly 2 million emails worth of data transfer
I hope you’re all happy THE CHILDREN DON’T HAVE ANYTHING TO DRINK
Lmfao. Basically, delete old emails so the big storage facilities hosted by mega corporations with thousands upon thousands of TB of cloud storage can have less load. And that’s on the end user?
Of course, it shouldn’t be the case that the corporations should delete our emails as they see fit. But the onus is on them to reduce power and consumption. I don’t see them slowing down any time soon. Emails out of everything are just nothing, they’re absolutely meaningless. You’re not going to save enough water to get us out of the rut by deleting emails, daft as fuck.
Build more fucking reservoirs … I’m so sick of having to pick up the slack and do little things to offset massive entities
Yet more “place the burden on the individual rather than the massive corporates” performatory bullshit. Turn your lights off to save the planet! Meanwhile companies keep on companying.
It’s easy to see why people get cynical about the environment when professionals come out with shit like this.
My 3.5gb of emails dating back to pretty much the birth of Googlemail is not the cause of the UK losing water.
Cloud services in general, sure… But I’d hope that water is being paid for & generating profit to improve services accordingly.
Yet again, the general public is being blamed for the failings and exploitation perpetrated by the ultra-rich one percent.
Or you know, maybe get the water companies off their arses and fix the pipes?
In any case, it’s better that you simply avoid using AI LLMs like ChatGPT if you actually want to help conserve resources like electricity, water etc. old emails really aren’t the main thing straining servers presently.
Yeah no. My photos and emails are a 1000th of a grain of sand in the Sahara compared to the videos of nonsense on social media, 24 hour loops of 2000’s meme vids and copyright infringing uploads of actual music by randos.
You wanna complain, complain at Meta and Google.
These guys will come up with any old shite before they will privatise the water companies
Ah yes, more tone deaf gaslighting of people who are utterly powerless. Heaven forbid we hold VC hoarders of water company profits to account.
Lmfao
Nah my personal emails are not using enough cloud storage to make a difference to data centres
If that was a genuine comment, it’s possible the worst example of deflection I’ve ever read.
I visit some pretty small Data centre and all have evaporative chillers. Whilst 1 doesn’t use it anymore because the roof leaks. The others both spray water at the fins of the cooling tower. It’s not that the computers are water cooled or they can only use the freshest of water for chilled water. The data companies should be held slightly to account for this as they pay very little for their water compared to households. The reason they do it, saves thousands on energy bills over a year.
I have never read something so technically illiterate in my life
Honestly get fucked. These companies need to stop pushing out the smallest blames to us and start accepting their biggest blames.
10 years later: controversy over ministers and the civil service deleting vital emails to save water.
The ones likely held in a U.S. data centre? How about actually dealing with the water companies here…
I’ll sort through my old emails if the bosses of the water companies use their bonuses to pay me for my time.
Otherwise, stop blaming the people and fix the leaks and build some god damn reservoirs!
Well if you want to save energy try and download your regularly played music. Bonus : if internet is down you still have it
stop fucking leaking water out of the fucking pipes of the companies you won’t fucking renationalise to save water