And if U don’t get stabbed trying to stop a baby formula theft you’ll be arrested for assault on the thief.
Yeah, no thanks.
Sensitive_Echo5058 on
Yes, but then you have to consider that other members of the public will be filming the event, and others will often support the shoplifter to flee when there’s a citizens arrest.
Helpful_Talk on
And get arrested or worse for your trouble? Pass. How about they do their job
BaarDauInMyForeskin on
Yeah and it’s up to the police to run the quarterly financial reports for my department. Hope they know Excel.
Mammoth_Branch4420 on
Okay, give us the second amendment like they have in the USA and I am sure a lot of us would be more than happy to do some free policing.
running_on_fumes25 on
If a supermarket is too cheap to pay for an effective security guard or two then its not my job to supplement their cheapness.
TomatoMiserable3043 on
This person is not a police chief. They’re the police and crime commissioner- a politician.
[deleted] on
are you dumb? What do i get for protecting a corporations goods.
Last time i checked it was up to the police to stop crime.
nate390 on
There’s no way in hell as a bystander that I’m putting myself or anyone I’m with in danger just to protect store profits. The thief is just as likely to pull a knife on you or decide that your attempts to stop them were assault and we all know how policing in this country works.
justmoochin on
Nah it isn’t. It’s up to the corporations to pay security better money and add more bodies. Stop dragging the public in to this, companies need to put their hand in their pocket.
Anyales on
The brass neck on these companies, first they made us staff their checkouts now they want us to provide them security.
If you want less crime put more staff in your shop and stop self checkout. Companies made a choice to allow more shoplifting to save them money.
Shardonk on
Maybe our politicians should stop wasting police resources on suppressing freedom of expression
Great-Ease-7302 on
Not really what he said. Misleading headline that manipulates the substance of his statement, provides zero context, and is aimed to produce a strong emotional response in readers rather than inform anyone.
>**Senior copper reminds shopkeepers to call 999 on shoplifters, “and ideally stop them from leaving”**
>*Thames Valley police chief calls for bystanders to take action where possible – as well as calling police*
would be a fairer and more accurate headline/subhead combination. We’re not being helped by online news sites but we’ve gotta get better at interpreting these stories more critically.
seph2o on
Ok so you try to stop them leaving, they trip and fall, break their leg and then you get prosecuted. No thanks
IceStrict8015 on
There are too many cowards in this country. Bring back public shaming. If you see something dodgy say something. Calling someone out for being a wrong un doesn’t mean it gets physical.
Have some pride for yourself and your area.
Desnowshaite on
If it is expected I fight off aggressive shoplifters, then at least legalise the use of batons for that. Expecting to go hand to hand with someone who may have a knife is not a well thought through plan.
IgneousJam on
So we’ve got to scan and bag all our own groceries nowadays. Now we should also apprehend shoplifters. Is there anything else that the supermarkets want us to do? Maybe clean the toilets?
SuperrVillain85 on
The headline saying “police chief” suggests he’s a member of the police force.
He’s an elected police and crime commissioner, a career politician.
Naive_Carpenter7321 on
The police are not there to protect the people, they’re there to protect the money.
This shows the people are also there to protect the money, even if it means being assaulted by a shoplifter.
A quick Google shows one supermarket CEO earned £10mil last year; they can afford their own security.
Rare-Lettuce1172 on
Lol, why would I care about a conglomerate being stolen from? Having worked in a supermarket, they’ll brag to your face about how much money they make off of you while paying you next to nothing. Even when I worked there, I didn’t make any effort to stop shop lifting, I’m certainly not going to now
GreatBigDin on
Retail chains are raking in millions. as a former retail worker, IDGAF if anyone wants to shoplift a 65″ TV – if they manage to get that out the doors, they are welcome to it.
MondeyMondey on
I do not and never will care if someone shoplifts. Frankly I’d rather someone who needs stuff gets it for free. Fuck do I get out of going the extra mile for Lidl?
IllIIIllIIIIllIllIII on
When the police was created in England, it was on the concept that the police would be paid to stop crime and apprehend offenders full time, however it was still the civic duty of all citizens to do the same when they were able to.
Society falls down when you expect police officers to be the only people willing to stop crime. There is on average one police officer per 4000 people in the UK, which is no where near enough to match that expectation.
Those who are able to absolutely should stop crime when they feel they are able to, and the law should (and does) protect them from doing so. I am convinced that ‘lawless Britain’ and the perceived rising crime rates are exactly because your everyday citizen is no longer willing to step in to prevent crime, and so your run of the mill criminal knows they can commit a crime without immediate consequence
-suspicious-badger on
This isn’t a police officer saying this, like the article says. The PCC is a conservative politician.
It’s also not quite what he said.
Either way, the police themselves are certainly not advising people to physically tackle shoplifters.
Exige_ on
Well, these comments are throughly depressing.
And we wonder why society continues to decline.
Practical-Purchase-9 on
Some very mixed messages about shoplifting coming out on a daily basis. People should ‘stand up’ to shoplifters but sharing their pictures is ‘breaking GDPR’ and tackling them makes you a ‘vigilante’.
occasionalrant414 on
So I assumed from the title that it was a proper police officer saying this – like a Chief Constable. Its not, its a bloody Tory Crime Commissioner. Of course they would say something like this. Was it not them that got rid of 20k police and ran public services onto the ground from 2010 and caused society to become shitter?
It’s not up to us to stop shoplifters.
zombie_osama on
Stand up to them, but don’t touch them, don’t raise your voice and definitely don’t say any mean words like ‘scumbag’ that could upset them or you’ll be nicked!
Simple_Joys on
This reflects a near-total breakdown of the social contract, though.
Of course its a collective responsibility of everybody in society to keep out communities safe, and clean, and nice places to live. That’s our end of the social contract
But when an actual crime is happening right in front of us, most people to expect the police to respond in a timely manner. This is the state’s side of the social contract.
If we are law abiding citizens who pay our taxes, then yes we do actually expect the police to be there when we need them.
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And if U don’t get stabbed trying to stop a baby formula theft you’ll be arrested for assault on the thief.
Yeah, no thanks.
Yes, but then you have to consider that other members of the public will be filming the event, and others will often support the shoplifter to flee when there’s a citizens arrest.
And get arrested or worse for your trouble? Pass. How about they do their job
Yeah and it’s up to the police to run the quarterly financial reports for my department. Hope they know Excel.
Okay, give us the second amendment like they have in the USA and I am sure a lot of us would be more than happy to do some free policing.
If a supermarket is too cheap to pay for an effective security guard or two then its not my job to supplement their cheapness.
This person is not a police chief. They’re the police and crime commissioner- a politician.
are you dumb? What do i get for protecting a corporations goods.
Last time i checked it was up to the police to stop crime.
There’s no way in hell as a bystander that I’m putting myself or anyone I’m with in danger just to protect store profits. The thief is just as likely to pull a knife on you or decide that your attempts to stop them were assault and we all know how policing in this country works.
Nah it isn’t. It’s up to the corporations to pay security better money and add more bodies. Stop dragging the public in to this, companies need to put their hand in their pocket.
The brass neck on these companies, first they made us staff their checkouts now they want us to provide them security.
If you want less crime put more staff in your shop and stop self checkout. Companies made a choice to allow more shoplifting to save them money.
Maybe our politicians should stop wasting police resources on suppressing freedom of expression
Not really what he said. Misleading headline that manipulates the substance of his statement, provides zero context, and is aimed to produce a strong emotional response in readers rather than inform anyone.
>**Senior copper reminds shopkeepers to call 999 on shoplifters, “and ideally stop them from leaving”**
>*Thames Valley police chief calls for bystanders to take action where possible – as well as calling police*
would be a fairer and more accurate headline/subhead combination. We’re not being helped by online news sites but we’ve gotta get better at interpreting these stories more critically.
Ok so you try to stop them leaving, they trip and fall, break their leg and then you get prosecuted. No thanks
There are too many cowards in this country. Bring back public shaming. If you see something dodgy say something. Calling someone out for being a wrong un doesn’t mean it gets physical.
Have some pride for yourself and your area.
If it is expected I fight off aggressive shoplifters, then at least legalise the use of batons for that. Expecting to go hand to hand with someone who may have a knife is not a well thought through plan.
So we’ve got to scan and bag all our own groceries nowadays. Now we should also apprehend shoplifters. Is there anything else that the supermarkets want us to do? Maybe clean the toilets?
The headline saying “police chief” suggests he’s a member of the police force.
He’s an elected police and crime commissioner, a career politician.
The police are not there to protect the people, they’re there to protect the money.
This shows the people are also there to protect the money, even if it means being assaulted by a shoplifter.
A quick Google shows one supermarket CEO earned £10mil last year; they can afford their own security.
Lol, why would I care about a conglomerate being stolen from? Having worked in a supermarket, they’ll brag to your face about how much money they make off of you while paying you next to nothing. Even when I worked there, I didn’t make any effort to stop shop lifting, I’m certainly not going to now
Retail chains are raking in millions. as a former retail worker, IDGAF if anyone wants to shoplift a 65″ TV – if they manage to get that out the doors, they are welcome to it.
I do not and never will care if someone shoplifts. Frankly I’d rather someone who needs stuff gets it for free. Fuck do I get out of going the extra mile for Lidl?
When the police was created in England, it was on the concept that the police would be paid to stop crime and apprehend offenders full time, however it was still the civic duty of all citizens to do the same when they were able to.
Society falls down when you expect police officers to be the only people willing to stop crime. There is on average one police officer per 4000 people in the UK, which is no where near enough to match that expectation.
Those who are able to absolutely should stop crime when they feel they are able to, and the law should (and does) protect them from doing so. I am convinced that ‘lawless Britain’ and the perceived rising crime rates are exactly because your everyday citizen is no longer willing to step in to prevent crime, and so your run of the mill criminal knows they can commit a crime without immediate consequence
This isn’t a police officer saying this, like the article says. The PCC is a conservative politician.
It’s also not quite what he said.
Either way, the police themselves are certainly not advising people to physically tackle shoplifters.
Well, these comments are throughly depressing.
And we wonder why society continues to decline.
Some very mixed messages about shoplifting coming out on a daily basis. People should ‘stand up’ to shoplifters but sharing their pictures is ‘breaking GDPR’ and tackling them makes you a ‘vigilante’.
So I assumed from the title that it was a proper police officer saying this – like a Chief Constable. Its not, its a bloody Tory Crime Commissioner. Of course they would say something like this. Was it not them that got rid of 20k police and ran public services onto the ground from 2010 and caused society to become shitter?
It’s not up to us to stop shoplifters.
Stand up to them, but don’t touch them, don’t raise your voice and definitely don’t say any mean words like ‘scumbag’ that could upset them or you’ll be nicked!
This reflects a near-total breakdown of the social contract, though.
Of course its a collective responsibility of everybody in society to keep out communities safe, and clean, and nice places to live. That’s our end of the social contract
But when an actual crime is happening right in front of us, most people to expect the police to respond in a timely manner. This is the state’s side of the social contract.
If we are law abiding citizens who pay our taxes, then yes we do actually expect the police to be there when we need them.