The frontline is going to be hundreds and hundreds of miles long, I’m not sure what deterrent a handful of foreign soldiers is going to have.
For the downvoters who think we will magically trigger Article 5.
*“For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:*
* *on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France* [*^(2)*](https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm#footnote)*, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;*
* *on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.”*
Temporary-Guidance20 on
I wonder what will get in return. There must be some underlying deal.
EUskeptik on
How many of our 72,000 army personnel would we send?
By way of comparison, Russia has 1,300,000 army personnel.
LemmysCodPiece on
This is what I don’t get. We have this huge hole in public funds, yet there is suddenly money to deploy troops to a foreign war.
Nice_Put4300 on
‘This is a war that’s being fought for the whole or Europe’ ‘We need to accept the new reality’ ‘Ukraine needs defending so Russia doesn’t attack other European nations’ ‘taxes must rise to fund the new world we live in’ ‘the times of peace are over’
We’re an island with nukes we don’t need to be getting involved in yet another forever war.
CaptMelonfish on
Russia will not give that land back, Ukraine will not give up that land (nor should it).
there will be no peace deal.
corbynista2029 on
If America isn’t willing to put boots on the ground, it’s quite literally virtue-signalling if we send troops to Ukraine. The Coalition of the Willing aren’t broad enough to station a frontline more than a thousand kilometers long, and this is assuming every nation in the Coalition is willing to put large number of troops up for multiple years.
TheCulturalBomb on
If the peace deal does somehow magically come to fruition, the West in particular the UK, France, Germany and Poland need to flood Ukraine with the best tech, the best resources, and considerable fire power, that prevents Russia invading again.
anchoredwunderlust on
If they were going to do that then they should have done that a long time ago when Ukraine still stood a chance due to home-ground advantage. They held him back for quite a long time despite his much stronger military power. Not a big fan of NATO or being at war with Russia personally, but if they wanted to put their money where their mouth is it seems too little too late now. Putin and Russia have a lot more power than they’ve chosen to use so far, and if Trump backs him then he will probably find all this laughable. It didn’t need to be “troops on the ground” either. Selling weapons seems to be what the UK gets most money from now. It happily armed Israel and UAE to the teeth, and I believe Ukraine did send out a drone recently. Basically I guess I just don’t believe him.
CurtisInCamden on
British troops would be a very strong deterrent to Russia.
Their generals will remember that the UK’s contribution of NLAW (anti-tank rockets) to Ukraine in the months prior to the conflict starting played a significant role in halting Putin’s planned Blitzkrieg takeover of Ukraine back in February 2022. Also the Challenger tanks have proven pretty effective being pretty much only vulnerable to mines (as all tanks inherently are).
ammobandanna on
the only peace deal that will work is if russia goes home in pieces.
greetp on
If it’s an UN backed peace deal wouldn’t it be preferable to police it with military from neutral countries?
For example some SE Asian countries?
Old_Course9344 on
“Can we somehow quickly and quietly reintroduce national service?” Keir Starmer whispers
Several_Show937 on
There will be no peace until the Ruzzain regime, and their “assets” are dead.
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The frontline is going to be hundreds and hundreds of miles long, I’m not sure what deterrent a handful of foreign soldiers is going to have.
For the downvoters who think we will magically trigger Article 5.
*“For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:*
* *on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France* [*^(2)*](https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/topics_110496.htm#footnote)*, on the territory of Turkey or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;*
* *on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.”*
I wonder what will get in return. There must be some underlying deal.
How many of our 72,000 army personnel would we send?
By way of comparison, Russia has 1,300,000 army personnel.
This is what I don’t get. We have this huge hole in public funds, yet there is suddenly money to deploy troops to a foreign war.
‘This is a war that’s being fought for the whole or Europe’ ‘We need to accept the new reality’ ‘Ukraine needs defending so Russia doesn’t attack other European nations’ ‘taxes must rise to fund the new world we live in’ ‘the times of peace are over’
We’re an island with nukes we don’t need to be getting involved in yet another forever war.
Russia will not give that land back, Ukraine will not give up that land (nor should it).
there will be no peace deal.
If America isn’t willing to put boots on the ground, it’s quite literally virtue-signalling if we send troops to Ukraine. The Coalition of the Willing aren’t broad enough to station a frontline more than a thousand kilometers long, and this is assuming every nation in the Coalition is willing to put large number of troops up for multiple years.
If the peace deal does somehow magically come to fruition, the West in particular the UK, France, Germany and Poland need to flood Ukraine with the best tech, the best resources, and considerable fire power, that prevents Russia invading again.
If they were going to do that then they should have done that a long time ago when Ukraine still stood a chance due to home-ground advantage. They held him back for quite a long time despite his much stronger military power. Not a big fan of NATO or being at war with Russia personally, but if they wanted to put their money where their mouth is it seems too little too late now. Putin and Russia have a lot more power than they’ve chosen to use so far, and if Trump backs him then he will probably find all this laughable. It didn’t need to be “troops on the ground” either. Selling weapons seems to be what the UK gets most money from now. It happily armed Israel and UAE to the teeth, and I believe Ukraine did send out a drone recently. Basically I guess I just don’t believe him.
British troops would be a very strong deterrent to Russia.
Their generals will remember that the UK’s contribution of NLAW (anti-tank rockets) to Ukraine in the months prior to the conflict starting played a significant role in halting Putin’s planned Blitzkrieg takeover of Ukraine back in February 2022. Also the Challenger tanks have proven pretty effective being pretty much only vulnerable to mines (as all tanks inherently are).
the only peace deal that will work is if russia goes home in pieces.
If it’s an UN backed peace deal wouldn’t it be preferable to police it with military from neutral countries?
For example some SE Asian countries?
“Can we somehow quickly and quietly reintroduce national service?” Keir Starmer whispers
There will be no peace until the Ruzzain regime, and their “assets” are dead.