Lavoro per abolire la più corta pena detentiva in Inghilterra e Galles | Carceri e libertà vigilata
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/aug/24/labour-abolish-most-short-prison-sentences-england-wales
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Lavoro per abolire la più corta pena detentiva in Inghilterra e Galles | Carceri e libertà vigilata
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/aug/24/labour-abolish-most-short-prison-sentences-england-wales
di JackStrawWitchita
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They’re trying to frame this as ‘a new way to deal with crime’ when in reality it’s just more emergency measures as the prison system is nearing collapse. There are simply nowhere to put the people they’re locking up. And if you speak to anyone in the Probation service, Probation is also near collapse so there’s no one to implement these ‘bold new strategies’. This is simply arm-waving to distract from the fact that the entire criminal justice system is in free-fall.
We’re running our of prison spaces so we could just let people out sooner or not jail people for lesser crimes. Or we could just put together some Nightingale prisons. At least come the next election, the electorate will have a clear choice on how they feel this problem should be best solved.
Am I a fucking idiot, or would it be worth not buying ChatGTP pro for all or whatever the fuck it is, and just building another large prison somewhere?
And they’ll then be surprised when petty crime (particularly shoplifting, which is basically decriminalised at this point) continues to spiral.
Ah, I’m sure this will have absolutely no adverse effect on society as a whole.
Soon you won’t even get punished for petty crimes and they basically become frowned upon rather than illegal.
>The latest data [released by the Ministry of Justice last month](https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/proven-reoffending-statistics-july-and-september-2023/proven-reoffending-statistics-july-to-september-2023) suggested that for the prison cohort of July to September 2023, 62% of inmates released after serving sentences of less than 12 months went on to reoffend.
How is that seen as an acceptable percentage to carry on releasing people early?
>Suspended sentences are to be allowed for up to three years instead of two, and will be used more for low-risk offenders with high needs such as pregnant women and **people with substance abuse problems.**
How are drug addicts low risk offenders?
Why the fuck is the comfort of criminals more important than that of law abiding citizens ?
If you stop short sentences then all crimes that occur them become legal, it’s idiotic. If we locked up every shop lifter then there wouldn’t be any!
As I understand it, short prison sentences have never been effective at dealing with petty crime anyway, so it’s good to do this to free up space.
> Meanwhile, Mahmood will press ahead with a voluntary chemical castration system for sex offenders in England and Wales, and is exploring the prospect of making it mandatory. The programme is being piloted in two regions.
**!!!**
Except for violent crimes this has to be good. I would like to see all those who can’t read and write educated too.
With each prison place costing around £51,000 per year more use of community sentences and tracker bracelets seems sensible.
Assuming they’re actually willing to pay to fund the probation service this doesn’t seem a ridiculous idea.
That’s horrible. Prison should be a first option for even minor crimes. Even if the sentences are short, they serve a purpose of depriving of liberty and encouraging people to change their ways.
I mean we live in a country where someone can just fire off a false allegation at you (better if there are at least two of you making the allegation against one person), police will come arrest you, put you in the cells for the night, or 3 nights if its a Friday night. Then maybe on Monday they will come to their sense, or it might go through the courts. I’ve had false allegations made against me, and I wasn’t arrested but I had a very hellish period of my life. There is not innocent until guilty. The State considers you guilty first.
I’m sure this’ll work exactly how Labour expect it to. If nothing else they might at least get a handful of more voters out of it.
This government really wants Reform to win the next election for some bizarre reason.
So just to be clear, what is the list of felonies it is now possible to do with no prison sentence? Asking for a friend.
Labour 2025 – Soft on Crime, soft on the causes of crime…
Put all the prisoners in cryogenic freeze. Teach them something productive like knitting while they are under. Make sure you teach them how to use the three shells.
I remember learning some basic criminology in uni and iirc there’s some correlation between spending short stints in prison and recidivism.
There’s no real reason to think prison helps anyone – it’s not designed that way. It’s designed to be boring, make you feel at odds with the system, not allow you to be productive, and is filled to the brim with drugs and gangs. Nobody will hire you when you come out either so people are coming out of prison with more incentives and knowledge to commit crime, not less.
I can think of at least one way to free up 42.8% of the prison spaces
All the research says short prison sentences lead to higher rates of re offending compared to non custodial sentencing. Removing short sentences for relatively petty crime is the correct thing to do, even if the prisons weren’t overflowing.
My general view is that the main purpose of prison is to protect the public from dangerous people and hopefully afford the prisoners a chance at rehabilitation. Prison as a punishment seems like an expensive waste of time when the prisoners in question don’t pose any ongoing risk to the public, and there are more effective punishments that could be used. I know, for example, a person in prison now who committed VAT fraud. They’ll get no defence from me that they did wrong and deserve to face consequences, but I honestly can’t quite see the point of imprisoning them, which was cost the taxpayer considerably more than was diddled in the first place. Not to mention the fact that it’s taken a highly skilled key worker out of the workforce.
Ultimately, I can’t really see much to disagree with in these policies. Keep prison for those people who pose a risk to the public, e.g. violent and sexual offenders. Use their time in prison for rehabilitation where possible, and employ other strategies to deal with other sorts of crimes.
Because what we need is more American style justice, Texas-style justice no less. This comes from the same justice secretary [which suggested contracting Palantir to implant offenders with microchips under their skin](https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/jul/01/tech-firms-suggested-placing-trackers-under-offenders-skin-at-meeting-with-justice-secretary)
Just build some prisons. These politicians will do anything but listen to the people.
This is good actually. Sending people to prison for minor crimes just turns them into hardened criminals. Prison should be reserved for the most serious offenders
Less prison sentences and more skilled workers. Utopia.
Electronic tags that shock people if they try leave their house.
What people don’t want to admit is that most crime is symptom of a failing system: no mental health care, no drug treatment centres, homelessness, joblessness, lack of opportunity, family breakdown – all of these things are the main underlying reasons for petty crime. Until they are addressed, crime rates will continue to go up while our quality of life gets worse.
Start with letting out the people that upset you by criticising Israel. Make room for the real criminals like Johnson and Hancock who killed thousands and stole billions