Il “secolo di umiliazione” europeo potrebbe essere appena iniziata
https://www.politico.eu/article/europes-century-of-humiliation-could-be-just-beginning/
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Il “secolo di umiliazione” europeo potrebbe essere appena iniziata
https://www.politico.eu/article/europes-century-of-humiliation-could-be-just-beginning/
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Does it get lower than caving to trump?
Ugh. Dont answer that.
It doesn’t have to begin. Europe can afford to be independent of America or at least an equal partner with equal say – but Europe still wants to just be a customer to America and pay cash while america gets to control the high tech, have the research and the profit and influence and the talent from Europe
It doesn’t need to be this way
Seems like Politico took this memo to their heart with their journalism.
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I’d reckon it’s a bit early into the century to be giving it a name like this
This could also be the start of America’s century of humiliation. Who knows.
The US is also entering that century but is refusing to accept it.
I guess if Europe could survive the Mongols, the Plague, the World Wars and Bryan Adams, then it will survive Trump as well.
A whole century is a stretch, but for sure next decade will be harsh if we don’t find a way to degroup from both members of the Russo-American axis.
Every humiliation is another motivation for Europe to de-americanise itself. Trump thinks he is winning by behaving like this but in reality he is destroying the soft power grip that the US carefully built over so many generations.
r/buyfromEU
Let me thing about it selling our industries resources to foreign powers who are increasingly more technologically advanced. Check
Incompetent and corrupt officials facilitating the vassalisation of their nations. check
Environmental degradation associated with imperialism check
Kneetowing to incompetent autocrats with bigger armies due to morally cowardice. Check
Yep math checks out
We’ve been America’s bitch ever since the end if WW2. Britain and France tried with Suez but ever since then we do as America says or we face Russia alone.
We will see. History tells us how humiliated nations act when they get back on their feet….
Not sure if I’m buying the premises here.
The USA itself is currently on a descending branch.
To keep a technological edge over the rest of the world, especially China, they need to attract talent and money to invest. And currently they’re working hard on losing both of those things.
Trumps actions could bring a major change to their very successful debt-economy. (Someone needs to hold their debt… but with f*cking over their foreign debt-holders they could very well enter into a downward spiral of more inflation -> more devaluation of the dollar -> losing function as reserve currency.)
Also their education system is already f*cked and will certainly get worse. So probably fewer and fewer domestic talent. Maybe even domestic talent leaving because intelligent people often don’t like fascism. Probably also fewer attraction of foreign talent, because they also don’t like fascism and the money becomes less attractive.
So I don’t see that we’re defenceless against external influence by United States that become more and more powerful. I rather think they become weaker.
Our main problems are internal: lack of unity and collaboration. Because half of us are similarly stupid as the Trumpists, thus working on our own descent, like the Trumpists work on theirs.
Sigh. Nope.
If Europe can get its shit together and stop relying on the US, it has the chance to a be a shining beacon in the darkness. A place of culture, science and technology. A chance to forge new alliances. In the last century it was decimated by two world wars, and still rose again.
Do not underestimate Europe.
Europe clearly needs to adress its woes proactively, the article is right about that. That requires some tough soul-searching.
But as for discussing future hypotheticals we can’t just assume the other actors will keep their shit together.
This COULD indeed be true, if Europe keeps flailing AND its rivals/competitors manage to leverage their position at Europes expense.
Sucking up to trump is the easiest way to get things done in usa atm. It is the meta. Everyone thought the era of complimenting the king instead of actually doing anything was over, but here come the FOMO americans who never had the opportunity to see it in action. You can just buy the dude a jet, and he will actually do whatever you want. USA never acted like that, and given their economy, we would be stupid not to take advantage of that. It feels terrible because you want your leaders to tell him what everyone in europe thinks, but this is probably the mathematically correct play. He will die of burgers soon, and if everyone else gets to use his gullibility, and we will choose pride, the joke is somewhat on us. We got russia trying to invade us, we got populism thriving, there are just bigger problems that this fucking moron, and directing our efforts at showing him he is stupid would be very satysfying, and i’d be 100% for it, what matters is effects and not optics, and i feel like most diplomats in EU know this. We need to take advantage of his stupidity, before he dies, and the oligarchy implements their braindead techno-feudalism. USA is dead, we might as well take the shoes.
Disregard.
Politico is a garbage website.
Embargo the states and israhel
Von Der Leyen is like a deadly virus, it kills everything it touches.
I guess that if the EU’s member states could pull their collective fingers out and present a united front and approach, this would be far less of an issue. Other than that, the comparison to late Qing china is flashy but is a bit like comparing two types of fruit.
I would agree on the statement, Vance will probably be president next and the cycle will continue, tariffs and the biggest market for exports and investment will be difficult. Europe has committed to buying usa natural gas at higher price as well as billions in investment for some unknown investment in the USA and tied into buying US military equipment. Vasal state springs to mind, and being controlled by the whimsical opinions of the USA. unfortunately unless Europe changes it’s direction it’s going to be extremely difficult
The trouble with this argument is that mangomussolini will humble the US faster.
If Europe can be so easily “humiliated” by Trump, then to me, that indicates some pretty flabby leadership in Europe. Maybe not the current batch, but *someone* had the opportunity to make a lot of different decisions than they made.
That said, every day brings a new decision. If Europe does not want to be dependent on the United States, then its leaders must start to make the difficult decisions that will break that dependence, and not just talk, as politicians like to do.
but it started in the sixties?
I’d say federalization is the only option, if the goal is – independence
Europe is choosing weakness,
Weakness seems to be pushed partially by low demographics, political decentralization, and a healthy desire for peace pushed to an unhealthy point.
What makes 2025 special? Arguably decline began in 1945 when America and Russia began dominating a wartorn continent. Morally, decline set in during the Cold War, but clearly by the 1990s when the death of Yugoslavia showed how toothless the EC was. But now is jarring too, as America has apparently gone fascist. Russia is fascist
Decline doesn’t hit the ignorant with immediacy. China itself didn’t realize its humiliation from zenith to collapse until well into the Opium War struggle.
None issue, the European Union’s investment in the US was €2.4 trillion (or roughly $2.6 trillion) as of mid-2025. These investments produce income for the EU and jobs for Americans. This article is just designed to create division amongst the west, The journalist was the one who added ‘century of humiliation’ it was not a quote by anyone.
Europe’s century of humiliation already started in 1945
As always the article is filled with “wake up call” and “europe”.
No one is out to humiliate Europe except European bureaucrats. US pretty much just wanted Europe to live up to its end of the bargain: meet your NATO obligations, stop energy dependence on Russia, stop with bullshit trade barriers. Damn you guys really bought into media propaganda to cover up your own bureaucratic failures.