“Would the Ukrainian Armed Forces accept a peace deal including Russia’s demand to withdraw from unconquered land? There are signals it’s causing anxiety.” Elena Davlikanova explains that President Zelenskyy faces a critical challenge in peace negotiations with international pressure to yield to Putin’s extreme demands. Domestically, three-quarters of Ukrainians oppose yielding land, and military leaders emphasize that any perceived capitulation would undermine national resilience and trust in the government.
Future_Crow on
There you go. It is pointless to apply pressure on the President. The war will not end even if he orders it tomorrow. Ukrainian Army has people who have been fighting Russians since 2014. Does the West and Russia expect them to stop and go to their destroyed homes & murdered families like nothing happened?
Markis_Shepherd on
I just had a thought. The hot phase of the war is over within 3 months. China doesn’t want Russia to collapse. They know of Ukraines long range capabilities and that they will be able to cripple Russian oil exports. To save Putin and Russia from itself, it requires a peace deal from Putin. Otherwise, there will be no more cheap electronics and drone parts. Just an idea.
InflamedNodes on
The funniest part of the article: Russia has only taken 1% more of Ukraine territory between 2023-2025 lol. Absolute failure, Ukraine will win. Flamingos are coming for you orcs.
>President Zelenskyy has provided a critical counter-narrative to the claims regarding Russia winning the war: Russia seized about 7% of Ukraine’s territory between 2014 and 2021, an additional 13–20% in 2022 (peaking at 27% early that year), and only around 1% more from 2023–2025.
SLR-107FR31 on
Come and fucking take it then motherfuckers. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
Nebula990 on
Surrender Ukrainian land for Putin surrendering to a trial at the Hague for his endorsed war crimes?
All of the proposed solutions presented seem to have no concessions from Russia only from Ukraine.
Why is that?
Inner-Detail-553 on
The key issue: Russia needs to be **unable** to continue attacking. Relying on their goodwill to honor any agreement is pointless; only lack of ability (eg simply not having weapons) is reliable
This can be accomplished by either much stronger sanctions (“oil for food” style, literally control all revenue they get from exports and approve imports individually), destruction of military industry, destruction of weapons, or a combination of these
Giving up land in exchange for a ceasefire or peace treaty is especially pointless, because any such treaty will be violated by the Russians as soon as convenient, and probably at the worst time. Russia signed a peace treaty with Chechnya in 1997 and invaded in 1999. Russia signed a treaty acknowledging Ukraine’s borders in 1997 and invaded in 2014. Treaties mean nothing to them
Inner-Detail-553 on
If I was Ukraine, I’d probably demand something insane in exchange for Donbas – something which is directly linked to Russian ability to threaten additional attacks
Maybe “give us half your nukes”
Maybe “give us your entire air force”
Maybe “destroy all your weapons factories”
Something which is directly linked to their ability to threaten and carry out additional attacks (since they *did* attack, asking for something that makes them in fact less dangerous seems reasonable) but also that they would never agree to (because ofc they are planning to attack again)
I think it takes a demand like that to show that they really aren’t negotiating
DiGreatDestroyer on
They should poll all the population in the country, in the following way: stop drafting people into the military.
Make the armed forces be supplied exclusively by volunteers. If the volunteers number enough to hold on to Donbass, or to fight for it at least, then that’s the popular vote. If there’s too few and they are overwhelmed and must retreat, again, that is the result of the popular vote. Anything else is meaningless.
It’s meaningless for 75% of the population to vote to not give up unoccupied land, and then have a mere fraction sign up for military duties. That’s just telling other people to go die for it, is it not? If Ukrainians are for not surrendering land, they need to be for fighting for that land themselves as well. That’s how I see it.
g00fballer on
Please forgive us Americans. We are used to losing wars. I’m not sure we know how to actually win one at this point.
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“Would the Ukrainian Armed Forces accept a peace deal including Russia’s demand to withdraw from unconquered land? There are signals it’s causing anxiety.” Elena Davlikanova explains that President Zelenskyy faces a critical challenge in peace negotiations with international pressure to yield to Putin’s extreme demands. Domestically, three-quarters of Ukrainians oppose yielding land, and military leaders emphasize that any perceived capitulation would undermine national resilience and trust in the government.
There you go. It is pointless to apply pressure on the President. The war will not end even if he orders it tomorrow. Ukrainian Army has people who have been fighting Russians since 2014. Does the West and Russia expect them to stop and go to their destroyed homes & murdered families like nothing happened?
I just had a thought. The hot phase of the war is over within 3 months. China doesn’t want Russia to collapse. They know of Ukraines long range capabilities and that they will be able to cripple Russian oil exports. To save Putin and Russia from itself, it requires a peace deal from Putin. Otherwise, there will be no more cheap electronics and drone parts. Just an idea.
The funniest part of the article: Russia has only taken 1% more of Ukraine territory between 2023-2025 lol. Absolute failure, Ukraine will win. Flamingos are coming for you orcs.
>President Zelenskyy has provided a critical counter-narrative to the claims regarding Russia winning the war: Russia seized about 7% of Ukraine’s territory between 2014 and 2021, an additional 13–20% in 2022 (peaking at 27% early that year), and only around 1% more from 2023–2025.
Come and fucking take it then motherfuckers. Slava Ukraini 🇺🇦
Surrender Ukrainian land for Putin surrendering to a trial at the Hague for his endorsed war crimes?
All of the proposed solutions presented seem to have no concessions from Russia only from Ukraine.
Why is that?
The key issue: Russia needs to be **unable** to continue attacking. Relying on their goodwill to honor any agreement is pointless; only lack of ability (eg simply not having weapons) is reliable
This can be accomplished by either much stronger sanctions (“oil for food” style, literally control all revenue they get from exports and approve imports individually), destruction of military industry, destruction of weapons, or a combination of these
Giving up land in exchange for a ceasefire or peace treaty is especially pointless, because any such treaty will be violated by the Russians as soon as convenient, and probably at the worst time. Russia signed a peace treaty with Chechnya in 1997 and invaded in 1999. Russia signed a treaty acknowledging Ukraine’s borders in 1997 and invaded in 2014. Treaties mean nothing to them
If I was Ukraine, I’d probably demand something insane in exchange for Donbas – something which is directly linked to Russian ability to threaten additional attacks
Maybe “give us half your nukes”
Maybe “give us your entire air force”
Maybe “destroy all your weapons factories”
Something which is directly linked to their ability to threaten and carry out additional attacks (since they *did* attack, asking for something that makes them in fact less dangerous seems reasonable) but also that they would never agree to (because ofc they are planning to attack again)
I think it takes a demand like that to show that they really aren’t negotiating
They should poll all the population in the country, in the following way: stop drafting people into the military.
Make the armed forces be supplied exclusively by volunteers. If the volunteers number enough to hold on to Donbass, or to fight for it at least, then that’s the popular vote. If there’s too few and they are overwhelmed and must retreat, again, that is the result of the popular vote. Anything else is meaningless.
It’s meaningless for 75% of the population to vote to not give up unoccupied land, and then have a mere fraction sign up for military duties. That’s just telling other people to go die for it, is it not? If Ukrainians are for not surrendering land, they need to be for fighting for that land themselves as well. That’s how I see it.
Please forgive us Americans. We are used to losing wars. I’m not sure we know how to actually win one at this point.