Welcome break from all the posts about flags and boats
PaleConference406 on
New cafes, pubs and bars?! We don’t need *new* ones, we need the current ones to stop closing down.
GuyLookingForPorn on
This is non-ironically a hugely impactful policy.
So much of peoples well being and mental health comes from living in a nice environment, and walking down the street and seeing a cool living community of people drinking and hanging out, instead of a dead desolate high street, has a big mental health impact.
EquivalentCat5920 on
All good as long as the public can afford to use them
Harmless_Drone on
It’s not red tape that’s the issue. Its that our high streets are owned by “”investors”” who want to charge huge rents and lease fees to keep their shareholders happy.
williamtheraven on
And it won’t do anything because people still won’t have any money to spend in them, parking will still be impossible and public transport will remain shit, and they’ll still close down after a year due to the foreign investors who own the buildings charging millions in rent
GuyLookingForPorn on
The comments on this thread are so irrationally negative over a definitively positive policy with no real cost to government, that it makes me wonder if anyone on this sub is here on good faith.
rh4beakyd on
if the pun is pardoned – the proof of the pudding. they havent even called for evidence yet, let alone detailed what the red tape is they’ll be cutting.
I’ve always thought it would be good for pubs to be charged less/no tax on beer brewed on prem – food miles, local employment, capital investment, etc.
Alive-Development552 on
Fantastic news here. Got to say Labour are doing a much better job than I was expecting
fffffffjtrdc on
My local precinct is own by Savills. Used to be full of independent shops, butchers, sweetie man, yarn woman, cafes ect
Since they’ve owned it, every single independent shop has shut down citing costs, specifically rent. Now it’s got gambling shops, B&m, home bargains and a bunch of empty shops. Can’t even get food there anymore.
They’d rather have a mostly empty precinct and charge what they want than charge fair and have it full of local people
redditpappy on
The alfresco dining will be done on the road rather than narrowing pavements further right? Right?
Sea-Caterpillar-255 on
Didn’t we just force a load of them to close by putting NI up?
Reading the (month old) announcement, this is exactly the sort of detail light, buzz word heavy BS that labour keeps printing. Somehow none of it ever makes it into legislation…
wkavinsky on
You can slash all the “red tape” you want, it doesn’t change the rates and costs equation that makes the business either unsustainable, or unaffordable for people to go to.
Also, have you seen most town centres? Their run down dumps, with nothing to do – why would people travel to them, pay a bunch of parking, just to have a coffee and a sandwich?
Jeets79 on
My local town centre is nothing but these things already and they are all over priced as the rents are crippling and they end up closing down because people can’t afford to pay what they need to charge.
Remarkable-Ad155 on
Who in their right mind wants to start a new hospitality business right now?
Some of the stuff in this is very welcome- like the ideas about protecting existing venues etc and hopefully this makes it harder for NIMBYs to kibosh new venues but I can’t help but feel most prospective and existing venue owners will be after financial support, rate relief etc.
PatrickTheSosij on
Let’s just legalise weed and open up cafes. It’s a no brainer
GunstarGreen on
I mean, we have a lot of cafes, pubs and bars in my town, but the amount of shops is dwindling every month. Last thing we need is another place to buy a coffee. I appreciate the efforts though, and hopefully it will help local pubs make a comeback
judochop1 on
Agent of change is still a thing, and it won’t protect pubs from nuisance claims. If you’ve been making excessive noise that hits neighbouring land, and they build on their land, you’ve got to turn it down to something reasonable.
Inglorious555 on
This is great but they should also make public transport run later, it’s good and well for those that live nearby but it only encourages more car use, improving public transport means that people don’t have to drive to feel the benefits of this
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Welcome break from all the posts about flags and boats
New cafes, pubs and bars?! We don’t need *new* ones, we need the current ones to stop closing down.
This is non-ironically a hugely impactful policy.
So much of peoples well being and mental health comes from living in a nice environment, and walking down the street and seeing a cool living community of people drinking and hanging out, instead of a dead desolate high street, has a big mental health impact.
All good as long as the public can afford to use them
It’s not red tape that’s the issue. Its that our high streets are owned by “”investors”” who want to charge huge rents and lease fees to keep their shareholders happy.
And it won’t do anything because people still won’t have any money to spend in them, parking will still be impossible and public transport will remain shit, and they’ll still close down after a year due to the foreign investors who own the buildings charging millions in rent
The comments on this thread are so irrationally negative over a definitively positive policy with no real cost to government, that it makes me wonder if anyone on this sub is here on good faith.
if the pun is pardoned – the proof of the pudding. they havent even called for evidence yet, let alone detailed what the red tape is they’ll be cutting.
I’ve always thought it would be good for pubs to be charged less/no tax on beer brewed on prem – food miles, local employment, capital investment, etc.
Fantastic news here. Got to say Labour are doing a much better job than I was expecting
My local precinct is own by Savills. Used to be full of independent shops, butchers, sweetie man, yarn woman, cafes ect
Since they’ve owned it, every single independent shop has shut down citing costs, specifically rent. Now it’s got gambling shops, B&m, home bargains and a bunch of empty shops. Can’t even get food there anymore.
They’d rather have a mostly empty precinct and charge what they want than charge fair and have it full of local people
The alfresco dining will be done on the road rather than narrowing pavements further right? Right?
Didn’t we just force a load of them to close by putting NI up?
Reading the (month old) announcement, this is exactly the sort of detail light, buzz word heavy BS that labour keeps printing. Somehow none of it ever makes it into legislation…
You can slash all the “red tape” you want, it doesn’t change the rates and costs equation that makes the business either unsustainable, or unaffordable for people to go to.
Also, have you seen most town centres? Their run down dumps, with nothing to do – why would people travel to them, pay a bunch of parking, just to have a coffee and a sandwich?
My local town centre is nothing but these things already and they are all over priced as the rents are crippling and they end up closing down because people can’t afford to pay what they need to charge.
Who in their right mind wants to start a new hospitality business right now?
Some of the stuff in this is very welcome- like the ideas about protecting existing venues etc and hopefully this makes it harder for NIMBYs to kibosh new venues but I can’t help but feel most prospective and existing venue owners will be after financial support, rate relief etc.
Let’s just legalise weed and open up cafes. It’s a no brainer
I mean, we have a lot of cafes, pubs and bars in my town, but the amount of shops is dwindling every month. Last thing we need is another place to buy a coffee. I appreciate the efforts though, and hopefully it will help local pubs make a comeback
Agent of change is still a thing, and it won’t protect pubs from nuisance claims. If you’ve been making excessive noise that hits neighbouring land, and they build on their land, you’ve got to turn it down to something reasonable.
This is great but they should also make public transport run later, it’s good and well for those that live nearby but it only encourages more car use, improving public transport means that people don’t have to drive to feel the benefits of this