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    1. crackbit on

      Hello r/europe, I found that the previous charts on the ‘Chat Controls’ bill lacked any information on what is actually needed to block it.

      In the European Council, we need **4** member states with **35%** of the EU population (157.5 of 450 million) to block the bill.

      I did some numbers crunching and found out that without Germany, the bill cannot be blocked in the Council due to not reaching the population threshold (only **23.82%**). Any celebrations about other opposing member states will not block the bill.

      As a German, I find it highly unlikely that the Merz government will oppose this bill. Both parties in the government, CDU and SPD, have a strong record of introducing bills that oppose digital civil rights and they agreed to introduce IP address retention nationally (again) in the current legislature.

      That makes the vote in the European Parliament even more important.

      Contact your MEP (https://fightchatcontrol.eu/).

      (Edit: And sorry for the ugly chart.)

    2. nvkylebrown on

      Well, the EU’s problem in a nutshell. Wanting veto power over anything you don’t like, and ability to override a few countries when you do like a proposal.

      Either a minority can kill something they don’t like (Chat Controls, Ukraine aid, trade deals, etc) or the majority rules. You really can’t have it both ways.

    3. ANDR0iD_13 on

      If a single president/prime minister vetoes a bill it can not go to effect, right?

    4. Gruffleson on

      EU making China-style supervision of it’s own inhabitants was not something I expected.

    5. This EU chat control really scares me. And for the first time in my life I honestly feel scared for the future, because yes this scenario has been predicted by many writers and has in a way been projected in multiple literature, Cinema and Games but I honestly was under the assumption I would be around 50 or 60 and not in my early 30’s when we would be at the start of a predicted dystopian control state.

      I can’t understand how it feels like almost no one bats an eye or there is any civil unrest regarding this. How can people not understand that this would be the equivalent of sending a letter through the postal box and the postal box scanning, assessing and registering the contents of every letter as soon as you shove it through.

      How can half the world collectively come together and protest when a black man in the USA get’s poorly treated by the police or how can there be so much protesting and standing up for the whole Israël/Palestina situation which all happens in countries that aren’t close to us, yet when something as scary and horrible as this happens we don’t see any collective protesting. How am I supposed to accept that.

      Nothing will be done against this and it is already happening and being allowed. Since a few months there is AI in whatsapp and you can’t turn it off. It scares me, because how can we already be at the starting point of these predicted dystopian control states.

      It was fun when people couldn’t imagine a future where that would be possible because it seemed so far away and people would label you crazy or a conspiracy theorist, yet now we are closer than ever to that reality.

    6. snowsuit101 on

      And again, let’s not forget that the ProtectEU strategy is trying to break all encryption, age verification tracking you across the internet is being already demoed, all of it will be tied to the digital ID wallet already in development, and almost every EU government is in bed with Palantir, a US company that makes products to gather, analyze and centralize all information from any number of systems. We shouldn’t lose sight of the fact that our human rights are under attack on multiple fronts, Chat Control isn’t our only problem, it’s not even the biggest one.

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