L’UE ha condannato a “irrilevanza” di fronte a noi, concorrenza cinese, avverte Meloni
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-doomed-irrelevance-facing-us-china-competition-italy-pm-giorgia-meloni-says/
di hyp17erion
L’UE ha condannato a “irrilevanza” di fronte a noi, concorrenza cinese, avverte Meloni
https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-doomed-irrelevance-facing-us-china-competition-italy-pm-giorgia-meloni-says/
di hyp17erion
37 commenti
Is she arguing that the political union of almost 500 million people should be strengthened? Because single nation states with 50 million inhabitants will most certainly fare worse in a world with US/Trump, Russia/Putin or China/Xi.
Except of course when we are all little fascists. Then all is golden. Except for those who are not fascists.
SYL
Extra true if the EU memberstates has politicians that keep on appeasing both Putler and Trump, this being both diplomatically and militarily. Allowing this aswell as letting China unfairly compete with european companies until there are non such left is bad m’kay.
Hybrid warfare from all competitors mentioned above remaining unanswered hollows out any credibility at record pace aswell. Same goes for the devil’s advocate within the EU, Hungary who runs the errands of Europes arch enemy RuZZia together with the lapdogs in Slovakia.
in today’s world loose confederations could not project as much power as strong federations. Europe needs to be more integrated to protect its interest and project power in its neighborhood.
It’s actually refreshing to hear a politician say we will fall in relevancy regardless of anything we do. These are long term historical trends that can’t be changed.
What’s Her game?
Federalisation is the rational answer, but realistically, it is impossible.
>In the same vein, Meloni also called on the bloc to take greater responsibility for its own defense, warning that the continent can no longer rely on the U.S.
>“After decades in which we outsourced European security to the United States — at the cost of an inevitable political dependency — we must be willing to pay the price of our freedom and our independence,” she said. “Only those who are able to defend themselves are truly free in the choices they make.”
Right, but “our freedom and our independence” have also to be based on a detaching from “relying on the U.S.”, moreso taking in consideration Trump’s latest stunts.
The money? Draghi proposed a kind of common fund for the ReArm Europe programme, preferably spent on European products, avoiding arms and means that could be somehow stopped working remotely.
I don’t know how this and what Meloni said could work with the agreement with the United States about buying US arms, though.
Interesting account you have there OP. 6 year old account that started posting about two weeks ago and only about Europe’s doom. I’m tired of this doomerism.
If you don’t stand for something, you will bend for everything.
When America let loose the soft power reign it held when the Orange pedo took over, EU should have taken it but instead they are negotiating deals with America to get concession on tariffs. Look at Xi. Doesn’t even give two fucks about whatever percent tariff America is putting on them.
Our 450m lives will carry on without having to be at the forefront of this centuries first great war??
Can Meloni please give this to us in writing? It’s great to be irrelevant for once.
We agree with Meloni here.
Strange to hear that from Meloni. We’ve never seen her proposing a reform or a project for Europe. What issue is she leading to the European Commission for a better futur? Nothing.
We can highlight the agreement between Tunisia and Europe, which was initiated by her. But it only lasted 1 year (due to violence of Tunisian police against migrants).
When the Europeans meet Trump, she licks his boots and makes fun of her European partners when they talks to Trump (especially the German Chancellor Merz). When it came to dealing with customs duties, she went alone to the USA to ask for exceptions for Italian goods. When the UK, France and Poland talk to send troops to Ukraine, she publicly refused to take part to any initiative.
She does not try anything to make the EU relevant.
Theoretically we could compete. The problem is that we need to plan long term ahead for a european economy. Decide what the priorities need to be for the EU, from AI, quantum computing, military, rare earth … . And then we need to invest in these fields as one, not every country with it’s best interest in mind, but with the interest of the EU in mind.
However in practice we are unable to do so. People are far too nationalistic, self centered and can’t think far enough ahead to get us there. So yes as Meloni points out, we are doomed.
saying this all while licking orange pedo’s balls. Far right never cease to amaze.
But at least we are the moralic instance of the world (until it skips). And the paradise for people that want social transfers (until the money runs out).
But thanks to our bureaucracy and regulation we make sure that nothing is stopping us on our path.
Europe has been lazy and complacent for far too long.
Europe should federate..
It’s a little late to realize that, but better than drawing in the dream of EU is still relevant. Revive your industry. Revive your education. It’ll take decades so you better start now.
Your daily “EU should…” article everyone
This person loves to use EU institutions and structures as leverage for Italys own personal gain, and she wants to sit here and preach about EU going irrelevant in the face of the US and China?
It’s a union of countries, it can never even compete truly with singular nations. However if countries and leaders of those countries acted less like Meloni which is essentially pragmatic nationalism we’d be far better positioned to compete.
But even when it comes to EU security in the case of the war in Ukraine she is entirely lacking on unity. Preferring to mainly adopt a rhetoric of supporting Ukraine but then punching far below its weight in aid, not even trying to be a leader in aiding Ukraine, and being staunchly opposed to direct peace involvement like security guarantees. Part of our geo political irrelevance that she sites, is our inability to truly deal with Russia as a threat.
This shit is just rich coming from someone like her.
3rd largest country in EU, run by a self proclaimed “leader” says her leadership is steering the EU to irrelevance?
Disappointing.
For argument sake let’s assume Europe had a vote to unite and it is successful.
There are so many concerns
1) how will the federation work will it adopt a similar model where each state(country) gets the same amount of seats in a house like the US making votes of people in countries with smaller population more valuable compared to larger once or it will be based on population where as party only need a majority in probably Germany, France and Italy or Spain and they make a government
2) how much power will each state(countries)have and who decides that?
3) will it be a presidential system like the US or more of a current parliament one?
4) do citizens even get a choice?
And probably many more questions needs to be answered even if a federation vote is successful it took almost a decade for Brexit to pass and for a federation I would assume each individual country will have a vote and have to rewrite their constitution or laws which doesn’t seem like a fast process
EU has no choice but become a superpower and grow some actual political will. Either this happens, or the civilised world will be smothered by dictatorships and their satellites.
EU is doomed because of Palantir and Chat Control.
Italy has same size economy as Ruzzia. Smal and insignificant.
>Speaking at the annual Rimini Meeting, a major event in Italian politics linked to a Catholic association, Meloni said the EU “seems increasingly condemned to geopolitical irrelevance, incapable of effectively responding to the competitiveness challenges posed by China and the United States.
>“Bureaucracy will not get us out of the storm, politics can,” she said. “Regulations will not make us stronger, ideas can. Ideologies will not liberate our societies, but values — when applied to the reality we live in — can.
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I guess I like Meloni.
I mean this was the norm throughout most of recorded history
And what is she going to do about it besides bitching?
I hate to say it, but the UK leaving hasn’t helped.
In the spirit of this ‘glorious’ modernity we sleepwalked into, I didn’t read the article… so are there also solutions proposed? Or is it just like reddit posts? :))
There is zero point in being in a supposedly a powerful trading block when that block just rolls over and surrenders when the US decides to launch a trade war, issue threats and adopts an active policy of blackmail and coercion.
Maybe but the EU will never agree to that nationalism is too strong in Europe for that
If the only way out is through the Union, why stop there? If we don’t include China and Vietnam, it’ll never work.
US is practically disintegrating in front of our eyes. China is a totalitarian state that does what totalitarian states do and will ultimately fail like all totalitarian states… We arent doing so bad.
Yea thats fine all I really need is peace and stability do I want EU to be an economical super power not really USA is and look at all the shit happening there no thank you I mean they have a bunch of money but its all pulled into like 5 companies and the rest are barely holding on, AI is either a bubble that will burst or so fucking amazing that it will change the way we live our lives completely and I do not have that much hope in it and if it does burst ohh boy is America fucked and that means we are all fucked.
If we are moving into a multi-polar world, then we cannot afford for Europe not to be one of those poles.
As long as the unelected corrupt gang over there in brussels remain in ‘power’ , there is no improvement. Better stop this failed eussr project. Each country on its own. Only the best of the best survives.