Welsh sembra essere significativamente più sano della nostra lingua madre. Perché è questo? Come possiamo migliorare l’uso quotidiano degli irlandesi come società?
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Welsh sembra essere significativamente più sano della nostra lingua madre. Perché è questo? Come possiamo migliorare l’uso quotidiano degli irlandesi come società?
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Well.. there wasn’t an intentional famine (genocide) that could have been prevented with the help of England directed at the people of Wales.
Honestly think it’s the way it’s taught in schools. I think they should scrap the written portion of the syllabus when you go into secondary school and teach it as a spoken language with yearly oral exams.
We should start teaching it like a living language, not a stodgy academic subject. If we were really serious we’d spend 20 years gradually shifting towards Irish as the spoken language in all schools.
Coal. Because of coal, Welsh speakers didn’t have to migrate to English speaking industrial centres like Irish speakers.
A key reason for the decline of Irish speakers is because there was no economic incentive to speak it, or rather an economic incentive not to speak it.
I meant a Welsh fella on a train before and we got talking about this. He reckoned Welsh was almost dying out 20-30 years ago but they made a big push and rethought how they taught it and it’s had a resurgence since. We should take note in Ireland.
Ireland lost a substantial amount of native speakers during and after the famine, a loss from which we have never recovered.
Wales didn’t suffer from such a population loss.
tbf I’d rather have independence over a language any day of the week
Cymro here.
The broad historical reason is because of the different ways in which Ireland and Wales were persecuted under England, and at which time. Ireland lost many more Irish speakers more recently.
The contemporary situation stems directly from that. There are much stronger Welsh speaking heartlands in Wales, and Welsh has continued to be used as the first language for a significant chunk of the West and the North (with small but significant pockets in the more Anglicised south).
The histories aren’t the same, Welsh didn’t suffer the same fate as Irish did before and after the famine. That, however, doesn’t change the fact that Wales has done a remarkable job of making the language popular again in the past 20 years. I honestly can’t see any change happening in Ireland, and I think it will get worse. We’re too reliant on our English speaking ability to attract multinationals for our job force, and we’ve become very Americanized culturally over the past 20 or 30 years that I just can’t anything ever improving.
I love the language and would love it to become our primary language again, so much or a culture is tied to its language, and we’ve lost a lot of it. But unfortunately, I’m pessimistic
For the why, there wasn’t as much as a push for Welsh to be decimated as there was for Irish. Wales wasn’t seen as a colonised nation but rather an “extension” of England.
There has even been a Welsh speaking Prime Minister and many other prominent Welsh politicians. And Although Welsh was suppressed, it did not face the same systemic campaign of eradication that Irish did.
The schools are better (just kind, fun places where you start in pre-school and you learn how to express yourself and be the kind of person you want to be in your community without worrying too much about national history or cultural identity), but there are also a decent number of jobs in those places where you need to speak Welsh for work.
Imagine if there were a steady supply jobs in the Gaeltachtaí that would allow you to earn a decent living and have cheaper housing costs, and all you had to do was learn Irish and move in. That’s kinda what Welsh has.
A mixture of multiple historical factors the biggest probably being , religion being taught and written in welsh while it wasn’t in irish. The mass purposeful starvation of Ireland .
The Welsh also do a much better job of teaching their language than we do, and considering who our minister for education is we wont be improving on that anytime soon.
I’ll put aside all the usual arguments about its usefulness etc.
I’ve been reading buntus cainte and motherfocloir recently enough and admittedly it’s not really going in very much, but I haven’t spoken Irish (what little I have) to anyone.
Sometimes I think one of two things would happen if I did, the reaction would be confusion, or the reaction would be someone who does know Irish telling me it was terrible etc.
I don’t think I’m alone in that, park the fact people struggle to learn it etc for a moment, I do think there’s a number of people who don’t try it because we feel other Irish people can be quite judgy. Maybe it’s my own insecurity speaking.
Forcing it. That’s the answer. It ain’t gonna happen organically.
I learnt more Irish in the Gaeltacht in y weeks over two summer than the 12 years of schooling remember at one point dreaming in Irish.
I hated the subject saw it as pointless and no reason to learn it. Honestly believe that’s because it’s taught as a second language, strict rules on tense and grammar. In reality if we want people to speak the language it has to be started full immersion at a young age.
I wish I could speak more now. Myself and my wife live abroad now and wish we could pass it to our kids, so are speaking what we can around him, he’s has a couple of bilingual friends that speak English and either gerrman/french/Italian/Indonesian, kids soak language up that young ages, those that can speak it should be speaking it at home to keep the language alive.