‘Malato e disumano’: lo studente che ha ottenuto il massimo dei punti di certificazione perde sulla rotta rispetto alla selezione casuale
https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/education/2025/08/30/sick-and-inhumane-student-who-got-maximum-leaving-cert-points-loses-out-on-course-over-random-selection/
di Banania2020
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no its not “inhumane” , inhumane means specific things , its not this ,
welcome to life , nothing is perfect
Everyone else got the same points as them for the course so it’s as fair as it can be
The fucking reek of _notions_ off this one
“Nobody’s future should be decided by a lottery”…..o boy, that student is in for quite a few surprises in life…..
At no point in the article does it point out that the CAO points system is raffle based. Get the points and you might get a place.
Also: attitude of LC student fits in well with Trinity general mindset: generally insufferable. They might dodge a bullet and develop into a nicer human.
From that headline I thought that the student was “sick and inhumane”
I was like good, then they don’t deserve to go to college
come on guys, have a bit of empathy, he has to go to UCD instead of trinity, and will miss out on “being surrounded by “like-minded, high-achieving individuals””, isn’t that just horrible
Could they wait a year and go to whenever they want next year?
the title had me thinking he missed out on all courses, but no he got his second choice instead of the first, the horror
Fucking hell they’re making it sound like a war crime, you get articles like this every year and they never mention that they pretty much always get the course as the rounds go on.
That being said I think they should use a different tie breaker, adding up the 6 best percentage points would be my suggestion
“sick and inhumane”. Ah here. give over
Everyone’s on about notions etc. the purpose of the state exam is to differentiate out the bell curve. If getting maximum points doesn’t guarantee you a place in a course then the exams aren’t hard enough. The points creep seems to have been crazy since Covid.
It’s very simple, make the exams harder, less people get max points.
“Amid lowering grade inflation, they expected the use of random selection to be less common this year, though there was no change in the number of courses using it.”
So they knew that random selection was a thing with this particular course when applying for it. Can’t really spit the dummy afterwards just because you weren’t one of the randomly selected.
Relevant
>The student had hoped to study management science and information systems studies at Trinity College Dublin, **a highly sought-after course** and one of just two nationwide that **required both maximum points and random selection.**
They must have known going in there was a chance they wouldn’t get it and that it was highly sought after. Not to mention everyone who did get it also had maximum leaving cert points.
There’s no mention in the article if they applied for the other course in another location so it really seems they’re salty about not getting into Trinity.
All of that insufferable melodrama over a wanky bullshit corporate consultancy incubator course like MSISS
We should set reminder for ca 6 months after they graduate to look for ‚recent graduate can’t get job’.
tbf they could probably just added one extra place to the course, wouldn’t make too much difference
the course sounds like a load of wank anyway
This person is obviously very intelligent and hard working, but some of the arguments here are a bit disingenuous.
“The student subsequently discovered that some accepted to the course achieved six H1s in contrast to their eight.”
– unless things have changed to the points system is it not only your 6 best subjects anyway, so this isn’t relevant.
Also saying others didn’t deserve to be there because of grade inflation – what is to say they didn’t also benefit from this (albeit to a lesser degree this year).
It’s absolutely ridiculous someone could get a perfect score and not get the course of their choosing, but the anger should be directed at not providing enough places in high demand courses rather than the allocation of said places. It would be worse to go towards the US system of interviews and providing proof of extra curricular activites etc.
So it was “a highly sought-after course and one of just two nationwide that required both maximum points and random selection.”
Sucks to suck. I mean, they got one of the requirements, they didn’t get the other, such is life. Their future isn’t being decided by a lottery, their placement on this course, at this time is. This article should have been a whiney, overshared Facebook post 😅😭
Logically I know teenagers don’t have the life experience to know that that’s life, or that in many cases it doesn’t matter what your undergrad degree is, as people chop & change, re-qualify in other areas, or you know, if you’re competent & resourceful, you can end up in working a wide range of sectors, but still, the ‘sick and inhumane’ line is ridiculous.
Some of these top mark, high-achieving types, would do well to fail an exam or just do OK from time to time & see that the sky doesn’t fall in if you aren’t perfect & don’t always get what you want.
Percentages should equal points
It would great rid of a lot of this
I’d love a follow up on all those who got max points five or ten years later. It’s your whole world when you’re that age but I’m sure they’re not all dazzling achievers forever.
Purely anecdotal but I know some people I was in college with who got very high points were burned out by Christmas of first year and aren’t the high flyers you’d expect.
I had a 20 year college reunion last year and most of us are in areas related to the degree and in fairly average jobs. At 18 or 19 it’s hard to see beyond the degree title and institution though.
Reality hits hard these days.
“It feels like the Irish education system has failed me instead of fostering me. It took me in and spat me right back out again after all the hard work.”
Jesus Christ. They are going to be a delight to work with in the future. Considerations to everyone at KPMG having to be managed by them.
I wonder how many places in total are there in that course and how many of those are available to the cao system. I know more or less selling course places to international students is an important revenue stream to universities but I wonder is it worth looking under the hood of the system to see if universities are serving cao students as they should.
The irony of a future management scientist immediately wanting to speak to the manager
Problem solved. Welcome in, Factna Eight A1s
He might have gotten max points in 8 subjects. But zero points in ROCK and Sticking to the MAN!!!
While I do feel for this young lad there is no alternative. The fact he got 8 H1s doesn’t matter as the CAO only takes your best 6 subjects. Unfortunately sometimes life isn’t fair
It’s not the leaving cert points system that’s at fault here… It’s not having enough college places for high demand courses, particularly when they relate to jobs we desperately need more people qualified in such as medicine, dentistry and nursing
Increase the number of places so that more students can enter these courses…. I’m sure there are countless students who didn’t get 700 odd points who’d make excellent doctors.
“Sick” is a bit dramatic. It’s rough, all the same.
So hang on, he knew part of the criteria was random selection. But he was so sure he was gonna get it anyway?
Fuck off.
> The student had hoped to study management science and information systems studies at Trinity College Dublin, a highly sought-after course and one of just two nationwide that **required both maximum points and random selection.**
So the headline here is “student applies for course that requires random selection, does not get randomly selected”.
Ironically the course that is 625 and random selection was in the 300’s when I did it.
Pretty bizarre that this course is the most desirable in the country. The academic discipline of management hardly needs our best students
The CAO has always done this. It’s nothing new. The idea is that it’s fairer than doing some arbitrary ranking based on some other criteria.
The system as it stands is about as fair and objective as it gets. If you’ve got multiple people with exactly the same qualifications and points, I’m not really sure what else they can do that’s any fairer.