Europol ha detto che il controllo della chat non va abbastanza lontano; Vogliono conservare tutti i dati di tutti i cittadini per sempre [Washington Post source in comment]
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Europol ha detto che il controllo della chat non va abbastanza lontano; Vogliono conservare tutti i dati di tutti i cittadini per sempre [Washington Post source in comment]
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[Washington Post Source](https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2024/03/05/encryption-eu-human-rights-privacy-ruling/)
And remember to give your feedback to EU Commissions & Europols new data retention proposal law that is in the works right now and is separate from chat control. You can give them feedback on the link below
https://ec.europa.eu/info/law/better-regulation/have-your-say/initiatives/14680-Impact-assessment-on-retention-of-data-by-service-providers-for-criminal-proceedings-/public-consultation_en
We know that it would be useful to law enforcement to have all the data. But that’s not the point. With this reasoning they should say that we should put all the people in prison to make sure that 100% criminals are in prison. That would make law enforcement job so much easier!
>The European court backed the Russian users, finding that law enforcement having such blanket access “impairs the very essence of the right to respect for private life” and therefore would violate Article 8 of the European Convention, which enshrines the right to privacy except when it conflicts with laws established “in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country.”
I don’t understand why. They literally can’t sort though the data they already have. Every time there is a terror attack it seems the guy was on a watchlist but they say they don’t have capacity to monitor them all.
Suppose it can help unravel a plot after the fact, but it won’t make anyone safer.
Only a question of time before they try to thrown an AI at it and start rounding up Counter Strike players for talking about hostages and bombs or something.
As a data engineer, all my yes – this my job security for the rest of my life!
/s
so like half of the population’s jobs would be to control the other half, GOT IT
“unnamed Europol police official” – peak irony
And while we are at it, let’s install some cameras into every building and record it forever, we’ll never know when something Hans said to his fruend could be useful for law enforcement, right?
This is completely contrary to all EU and common sense data security rules: only keep data you absolutely need, and only for the duration that you need it. Getting all data you can and keeping it forever is a flagrant violation of that.
It’s also impractical for them. They will drown in meaningless data. How many terrorist attacks have happened where afterwards it turned out intelligence and law enforcement organisations already had the data to predict it, they just hadn’t pieced it all together yet. And now they want even more meaningless pieces.
How comes that we have to get this info from an american newspaper? What do european journalists do?
Talk about dystopia.
Hey remember when people were up in arms over what Snowden revealed in the US?
“All data is useful” is just the most damning sentence of them all.
Even with Patriot act in USA and PRISM to collect all datas authorities are unable to stop the school shootings…
This project is historically been applied since 2001 to today in the United States and was never useful…
Why would European Union waste the same amount of money ?
We finally deserve to be dominated by China in the near future… We’re doomed.
Here is my unpopular take:
I agree with this ONLY if politician’s and law enforcement’s data is also collected and stored indefinitely. Because that information could be useful AGAINST politicians, and law enforcement. And of course, there has to be a system for non-law enforcement to access this data under suspicion of wrongdoing, say, i have good sources a certain politician is holding pedo shit, we can sift through all his life just to protect the children.
Insanity.
It’s really great that an invasion would give the attacker access to everything about a person.
Sexuality, political beliefs, etc.
super.
Just felt like reminding everyone of article 8 of the Human Rights:
## Article 8: Right to privacy
1. Everyone has the right to respect for his private and family life, his home and his correspondence.
2. There shall be no interference by a public authority with the exercise of this right except such as is in accordance with the law and is necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security, public safety or the economic well-being of the country, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals, or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.
Get this wannabe north korea shit out of my country.
Aside from the obvious privacy concerns; what would be the *cost* of all this?
Sure, digital storage is fairly cheap nowadays, but we’re talking data for hundreds of millions of people, along with backups and upkeep (replacing older storage as it’s worn out over time).
Then also development of systems to archive it all properly, systems to be able to search it properly for it to actually be useful in *any* way whatsoever, presumably some automated system to flag certain things (and people to monitor and decide if properly flagged or not), electricity and water costs, various types of pollution, etc.
All of this for some *potential* minimal upside, and a dozen or more *certain* downsides.
So some unnamed random official say something on all of a sudden we all accept it as the inevitable outcome? When did everyone get so reactionary?
“Would be useful to law enforcement” is not an argument. It’s a rhetorical trick to make it harder for people to argue against it.
Many things would be “useful to law enforcement”.
For example, if all people lived in fenced in camps, constantly under armed guard, requiring a permit to do anything outside of work, observed by drones 24/7, with harsh punishments for stepping out of line, that would certainly make the job much easier for law enforcement.
But that’s not how we want to live our lives.
Willing to bet Palantir and USA have something to do with all these authoritarian initiatives.
Hey at least it’s not one dictator doing that, but a group of people diluting liability between each others. 😃🤔😐
He must be assuming that law officers and the government are all perfect people who would never abuse this total information control.
That’s some Stasi-level nonsense!
1984, here I come… 😭😭😭
All people being restrained all the time would also bring the crime rate to zero,
doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.
Absolutely disgusting and disappointing from the eu. And none of my friends even know about it.
Please sign the petition.