Doubt he’d react idly if someone walked up to him and told him they’d beat the shit out of him if they encountered him in private and then told others to do the same, fine with trans people tho i guess?
Thetonn on
I don’t know how you calibrate the law for things like this.
We obviously need a law to prevent people from using speech when you are directly attempting to organise and facilitate violence. It is obviously sensible to prosecute people yelling ‘fire’ in a crowded room, or members of lynch mobs shouting ‘they are over there’ even if they are not personally involved in the violence. The sheer number of death and rape threats received by prominent women online is insane.
I think any objective analysis of social media content in Britain would demonstrate that there is a sufficiently large amount of that sort of activity currently happening in Britain today without needing to dilute the focus any further. It is my understanding, based on what I have seen from people on social media, that the police are not actively investigating that to the degree expected.
What Glinner said was obviously horrible, along with Lucy Connolly, but there is a significant gap between what they are saying, and more obvious and clear instances. I struggle to understand the rationale as to why the police would allocate resources to them when there is a lot more, less controversial, low hanging fruit out there.
sjintje on
The law is an ass, but the police seem able to ignore plenty of crimes when it suits them.
FionaRulesTheWorld on
The only reason anyone is making a fuss over this is that the victims are trans people.
Inciting violence against any other group would be rightly result in the same, and nobody would be in uproar about it.
But as long as the victims are trans, anything done to us is OK because it’s “free speech”.
Jaded_Strain_3753 on
I’ve been against the current law for ages, but I’m surprised it was this particular situation that seems like it will lead to change. There have been more egregious arrests than Linehans
Anon2971 on
Poor police. Can’t defend trans people too much now or the transphobes will start yelling ‘two tier policing’.
Man arrested for encouraging violence on social media. Justice was served. This is a non-story. End of
Lumpy_Argument_1867 on
Sending armed police is just ridiculous… have some common sense..
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padestel on
No issues arresting old people peacefully holding a sign, sorry hands are tied that’s the law.
Inciting violence against trans people, we need to change the law.
Hmm I think the chief may be letting their biases show here.
Alive_kiwi_7001 on
This whole episode reeks of malicious compliance. Police perform high-profile arrest that is likely unnecessary given the circumstances. A day or later, the boss talks about changing the rules he and his staff are interpreting.
Nima-night on
Change the name from” trans” to “migrants” and it becomes a crime The government can get behind.
please let us know what minorities the government wants us to hate. So we don’t break the law?
Name them ones that are protected by law and those that are not so it’s clear in law who we can openly hate and insist people to attack in public ?
zombie_osama on
Maybe the police should look into Wes Streeting’s old tweets, like the one where he talked about pushing a woman under a train. Far worse than what Linehan wrote!
ZeeWolfman on
Oh hey look. Government’s looking at finding ways to de-criminalise bigotry (but only against THOSE PEOPLE of course).
Once again. Are you gonna do something about this? C’mon, Allies! Stop tutting your tongues at how cruel this all is AND DO SOMETHING.
I’m so fucking sick of this timeline.
WynterRayne on
Yes. Incitement to violence shouldn’t be illegal. We should be allowed to call for people to be hospitalised and even killed all the time; as long as we’re not the ones actually doing it, we’re innocent.
If that sounds ridiculous, then so does the idea of changing the law because someone got arrested for Incitement to violence
ItsDominare on
> Rowley says officers should not be ‘policing toxic culture wars debates’
I agree. But Linehan wasn’t arrested for debating, he was arrested for telling his 600,000 followers to physically assault people.
There’s a line, he crossed it. There should be no need for a massive bout of police introspection, they just enforced the law.
Hyperbolicalpaca on
All this is going to end with is them removing transition status from being a protected class, isn’t it…
deyterkourjerbs on
I’ve been trying to understand the law here with the help of ChatGPT. I think that it’s related to the Public Order Act 1986 (Section 4A, with a revision from 1994/2008) because it’s about inciting hatred.
I don’t think Section 181 of the Online Safety Act applies because being kicked in the balls doesn’t cause serious harm. That seems more orientated around “I will kill X”.
The Communications Act 2003 also doesn’t seem to apply because that seems more focused on threats on specific things like John Smith.
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Doubt he’d react idly if someone walked up to him and told him they’d beat the shit out of him if they encountered him in private and then told others to do the same, fine with trans people tho i guess?
I don’t know how you calibrate the law for things like this.
We obviously need a law to prevent people from using speech when you are directly attempting to organise and facilitate violence. It is obviously sensible to prosecute people yelling ‘fire’ in a crowded room, or members of lynch mobs shouting ‘they are over there’ even if they are not personally involved in the violence. The sheer number of death and rape threats received by prominent women online is insane.
I think any objective analysis of social media content in Britain would demonstrate that there is a sufficiently large amount of that sort of activity currently happening in Britain today without needing to dilute the focus any further. It is my understanding, based on what I have seen from people on social media, that the police are not actively investigating that to the degree expected.
What Glinner said was obviously horrible, along with Lucy Connolly, but there is a significant gap between what they are saying, and more obvious and clear instances. I struggle to understand the rationale as to why the police would allocate resources to them when there is a lot more, less controversial, low hanging fruit out there.
The law is an ass, but the police seem able to ignore plenty of crimes when it suits them.
The only reason anyone is making a fuss over this is that the victims are trans people.
Inciting violence against any other group would be rightly result in the same, and nobody would be in uproar about it.
But as long as the victims are trans, anything done to us is OK because it’s “free speech”.
I’ve been against the current law for ages, but I’m surprised it was this particular situation that seems like it will lead to change. There have been more egregious arrests than Linehans
Poor police. Can’t defend trans people too much now or the transphobes will start yelling ‘two tier policing’.
Man arrested for encouraging violence on social media. Justice was served. This is a non-story. End of
Sending armed police is just ridiculous… have some common sense..
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No issues arresting old people peacefully holding a sign, sorry hands are tied that’s the law.
Inciting violence against trans people, we need to change the law.
Hmm I think the chief may be letting their biases show here.
This whole episode reeks of malicious compliance. Police perform high-profile arrest that is likely unnecessary given the circumstances. A day or later, the boss talks about changing the rules he and his staff are interpreting.
Change the name from” trans” to “migrants” and it becomes a crime The government can get behind.
please let us know what minorities the government wants us to hate. So we don’t break the law?
Name them ones that are protected by law and those that are not so it’s clear in law who we can openly hate and insist people to attack in public ?
Maybe the police should look into Wes Streeting’s old tweets, like the one where he talked about pushing a woman under a train. Far worse than what Linehan wrote!
Oh hey look. Government’s looking at finding ways to de-criminalise bigotry (but only against THOSE PEOPLE of course).
Once again. Are you gonna do something about this? C’mon, Allies! Stop tutting your tongues at how cruel this all is AND DO SOMETHING.
I’m so fucking sick of this timeline.
Yes. Incitement to violence shouldn’t be illegal. We should be allowed to call for people to be hospitalised and even killed all the time; as long as we’re not the ones actually doing it, we’re innocent.
If that sounds ridiculous, then so does the idea of changing the law because someone got arrested for Incitement to violence
> Rowley says officers should not be ‘policing toxic culture wars debates’
I agree. But Linehan wasn’t arrested for debating, he was arrested for telling his 600,000 followers to physically assault people.
There’s a line, he crossed it. There should be no need for a massive bout of police introspection, they just enforced the law.
All this is going to end with is them removing transition status from being a protected class, isn’t it…
I’ve been trying to understand the law here with the help of ChatGPT. I think that it’s related to the Public Order Act 1986 (Section 4A, with a revision from 1994/2008) because it’s about inciting hatred.
I don’t think Section 181 of the Online Safety Act applies because being kicked in the balls doesn’t cause serious harm. That seems more orientated around “I will kill X”.
The Communications Act 2003 also doesn’t seem to apply because that seems more focused on threats on specific things like John Smith.