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    1. AlexanderBeta213 on

      Idk if it’s true but

      > the rich were prompted to invest in public schools

      I think that’s just called taxes

    2. LTFGamut on

      In most of mainland Europe, (almost) all kids go to public schools.

    3. IKnowEverything23 on

      Almost no one invests in public schools. They’re already good because they’re funded properly (arguable) by taxes. Some schools are better though and the rich just live in an area or move to one with better schools.

    4. 64sweetsour on

      This is the way. Also, move to a place where housing is expensive.

    5. NeilDeCrash on

      Yeah the public schools are mostly the same quality from grades 1-9, school picking is not prevalent but does happen – your kid would go to the school closest to where you reside.

      After grade 9 you go to either vocational school or upper secondary school (lukio) and they do have big differences in quality but you can not pay your way in, you enter with the average of your grades – no tuitions.

      After that its university/university of applied sciences and again you enter with your grade average and can not pay your way in, no tuitions. There are tuition fees for foreign students.

    6. OtherwiseLuck888 on

      Also in Switzerland and Finland, traffic violations are fined by income levels not fixed rates

      Not all developed nations worship capitalism

    7. There are some private schools that charge tuition, but most people go to public or publicly funded private schools which are not allowed charge tuition.

      I am not sure what “prompted to invest in public schools” means. They are funded by taxes so private persons can’t really invest in them. They can vote for canditates that want to increase their funding but they have same amount votes as everyone else.

    8. LitmusPitmus on

      Isn’t a lot of Finland’s education success down to streaming of abilities? I remember reading that somewhere

    9. MaddogFinland on

      Yes this is true of Finland. However it’s a bit more nuanced because of course some schools (high school and college prep level) are better than others due to the area of town and thus there is stiff competition (grades and entrance tests) to access them, which still favors kids from more wealthy backgrounds. So it’s not purely level. But in terms of funding, resources, school lunch, things like that, yes Finland does it this way. I am an American who moved to Finland 22 years ago and this kind of thing is why I chose to raise my daughter here rather than moving back to the US as I had originally envisaged. I believe this was the right choice for many reasons; also the fact that she never had to learn those “active shooter drills” at school which to me is just dystopian

    10. TailleventCH on

      Is it that they can’t charge tuition or just that they can’t make any profit? (Genuinely asking, I remember hearing something about it but I can’t remember properly.)

    11. thisgirlhasissues on

      There are private schools, mostly steiner or christian schools, that depend on their funding from public money or fundraising. Researched a bit, there are a very few exceptions as very specialized schools like some bi-lingual schools might be able to collect some reasonably priced tuition fee 

    12. FlashyAd6434 on

      That’s just normal in most of Europe. For example in Poland almost all people go to public schools. The paid ones are usually worse quality.

      And most people go to public universities (and they are the best universities – the private ones are “pay to win” as opposed to the public ones that you have to get good enough grades to get accepted – so the free public ones and considered better and the private ones are for people who couldn’t get accepted or are already working and don’t have time for full-time education so they go on evening or weekend’s courses).

      And even in the private universities the tuition is like under 5000 USD per year, usually less. So if you’re working a normal job you can afford it. Nobody’s “saving for kids university”.

    13. Ok_Photo_865 on

      Funny, I personally believe this to be a value everyone would benefit from.

    14. witherwingg on

      I don’t think it’s illegal (or didn’t find any mention of that anywhere) to charge a tuition fee, but schools are funded by taxes, which we pay a god awful amount. One could argue the quality of schools has been quickly declining since the turn of the millenia, so that statement isn’t really true anymore by any means. And there’s only one private school that I’ve heard of in the whole country. And as I’ve understood it, that’s also free of charge.

      I know that students from outside the EU are charged a tuition fee for UAS and universities, if they want to study in Finland. But EU citizens can study for free.

    15. Charming-Exercise496 on

      Yes it’s called taxes. Sweden is similar. There are “friskolor” but they’re more for religious based or language based schools.

    16. jimmykimnel on

      I love it when people always take the example of Finlands education system and just think a copy and paste approach would work where they live, especially Britain.  I imagine most people in Finland which is a highly homogeneous country with really good standards for raising kids and they all behave really well they all adhere to Finland social norms is a far cry from trying to get your kids educated for free next to a load of absolute bell ends raised from council estates and single mums, a load of kids who probably don’t even know English properly or aren’t even toilet trained by the age of 5.

      Just clicking your fingers and shouting abra cadabra won’t make a finish style system work here, there is so much more you need to get right first.

    17. Many-Gas-9376 on

      So this is all true. It’s a generally successful public education system, where virtually everyone regardless of background does go. There are some universal issues like reduction in attention spans etc. — the scholastic performance is going down population-wide, which I believe is the case in most developed countries in recent years.

      Especially as you go to bigger cities, with lots of neighbourhoods with their their own public schools to choose from, you get some nuances. While we don’t have anything resembling real slums, some neighbourhoods are better off socioeconomically than others. The better neighourhoods have fewer social issues, higher-educated parents, fewer children from recent immigrant families with lacking Finnish language skills etc. — correspondingly, the schools in these neighbourhoods are better places to study. Parents picking a neighbourhood with good schools is increasingly a thing, deepening the divide between neighbourhoods.

      As a rule though, I’d say a talented kid will still get a good start to life, regardless of where they go to school. It’s the kids who are not trouble-makers but who’d need just a bit of support or more peace to concentrate, who can really struggle in those rowdier schools.

      In bigger cities you also have some schools with specialized curricula, like fully bilingual teaching (typically Finnish combined with German, French or English). You can apply to these from any part of the city, and there may be entrance exams. This is where the background of the parents start to be very heavily skewed: not necessarily rich, but they do tend to be very highly educated on average.

    18. CancelAny226 on

      In Germany it’s nowadays not so much about private schools or with mixing kids from poor families.

      It’s mainly about the percentage of immigrants in the specific school. There are schools with 90%. And we are not talking about Danes, Russian or Italian. I guess, everyone knows what I mean.

      Thus, many parents (also many migrants ) try to send their kids to private schools or at least pick more carefully. Especially in the north of Germany it became quite popular to send your kids to Danish schools in Germany because the amount of migration kids from third countries is low. Danish schools are supported by the Danish minority in Germany.

    19. cameleon-jd on

      Live in Finland with wife and 3 soon adult sons. Grew up in Denmark. In both countries all schools are for all – very few send their kids to private schools and in most areas there are no private schools.
      Tuition is free and kids are equipped with a laptop and all other school materials funded by the public sector.
      In Finland schools does not only have teaching staff but also assistance staff, supporting teachers, student counselors and staff that solely focus on students well being. On top of that students are provided with a daily free lunch which have to follow the national guidelines for healthy food and recommendations for sustainability. So button line is that public schools are good.
      Of course there is room for improvements however it does not make much sense to send your kids to a private school here atleast.

    20. Wonderful_Device312 on

      I don’t think they mean rich. They mean upper middle class.

      Rich people send their kids to international boarding schools that you’ve never heard the names of.

    21. OVazisten on

      Not the silver bullet as it is described. In Hungary the same system worked for several decades, but rich parents simply paid for private tutors for their kids no one tried to fix the rotting education system.

    22. Late-Following792 on

      Everyone in Finland invests in school and free learning. Its by taxes. We tax the rich and tax the poor.

      I loved my engineering bachelor degrees and it was 100% free. What the fuck world?

      Also it makes easier people to get along each other (and be happy) because you are mixed group of inviduals and just by being more talented you get better grades.

      That build smart people. Not Elon musk style grinders (fake promises) but actually really solid trustworhty smart people.

      Happiest country in world. Equality

    23. Well you choose the area you live in so when kids go to school they get into a decent one. “Better areas” usually have better schools around. Not necessarily that there’s something fundamentally different but likely students behave better, parents take school seriously and teachers are happier in general.

      I live in the capital area and have seen tons of families move out before kids start going to school. Well housing us more affordable obviously as well further away from capital area.

    24. HunterThin870 on

      Schools are state-funded. Rich people don’t invest in schools, except for the some that donate money to universities to get a brass plaque on the wall of the auditorium with their name on it. Government spending is 55% compared to GDP, whereas in USA it is around 34% and in UK 44%.

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