We’ve reach the “kill disabled people” stage of boomernomics whether you like it or not…
SinisterBrit on
What was it, estimated 300,000 excess deaths from Tory welfare cuts?
Starmer clearly feels they went too easy on the poor.
HotelPuzzleheaded654 on
They’re really bleeding the terrible optics of cutting welfare by flip flopping on it so many times.
west0ne on
Didn’t I read the exact same headline first thing this morning but attributed to Farage and Reform?
quackquack1848 on
Doing whatever they can do to balance the book. That’s a government I can support.
parasoralophus on
He doesn’t look tough to me I could easily have him.
SXLightning on
Support this! We are spending too much and it’s bankrupting the country
stumperr on
I work in job where I see how much people on benefits get. Many are pulling in £2k a month. That’s ridiculous.
Jose_out on
Good. Currently spending on welfare is unsustainable. There’s not much left to tax so time to cut spending.
No-Chemistry-9444 on
OBR predicts benefits are going to increase by 27% between now and 2030.
If it were left to income tax alone to cover this, receipts will have to go up over 30%.
Difficult_Bag69 on
Oh no, someone think of the permanently online working-age-but-unemployed Redditors with anxiety/ADHD having their well earned benefits reduced.
Coffmad1 on
Welfare as it currently stands is totally unsustainable, people can complain all they like but this is better than having 0 welfare when the money completely runs dry, which it will at this rate.
TingTongTingYep on
Hahahaha. They couldn’t even take the WFA from people who didn’t need it, so good luck with that. Will believe it when I see it.
ShambolicPaulThe2nd on
Good luck Starmer. He’s about to split the party in half.
IndividualSkill3432 on
Low GDP growth and increases in pensions, debts and health care costs as a % of GDP.
>**How much it will spend** on things like public services, state pensions and debt interest. In 2024-25, we expect it to spend £1,278.6 billion, equivalent to around £45,000 per household or 44.4 per cent of national income.
We have very high energy costs, labour costs and lowish productivity for an advanced economy. We have had 10% productivity growth over the past 18 years. We face competition from China on cost and from the US on its huge investment in things like robots and AI.
If people do not want to grasp these facts then wail about some mythical solution that does not appear in the actual data, we will be headed for middle income nation status. Get competitive or spend the rest of your lives imagining impossible solutions that never arrive.
Natural-Buy-5523 on
This haunted ghoul suggested that people should have to pay to access assisted suicide. He also claimed forty grand to rent his constituency home, despite owning the property next door.
It’s no surprise that the far right are going to walk the next election when this is the calibre of the “good guys”.
TurnLooseTheKitties on
Is the despicable need to threaten the lives of the disabled least able the hill that Starmer needs to die on?
AverageFishEye on
This is my biggest argument against a wellfare state – it always tends to snowball into a defacto planned economy and you cant roll it back without risking some serious turmoil
JackStrawWitchita on
Kicking the crutches out from disabled people is such a vote winner in Brexit Britain. Why is performative cruelty so attractive to so many voters?
Jensen1994 on
Haven’t they already tried this? They tried and failed because Labour MPs were worried about losing their seats. So they switched their focus to those who work hard and earn.
LordLucian on
Did he forget people died last time there was budget cuts?
Obscure-Oracle on
It worked so well when the Tory’s done it and it was so easy on Labour just a couple of months ago when they tried to screw disabled people. Anything other than identifying and fixing the issues that have caused so many to end up on welfare in the first place. It is proven that hitting benifit claimants with a stick ends up costing tge tax payer far more in the long term. For instance, 15 years of Tory cuts are costing the NHS £50bn per year.
Solving reliance on benefits will take investment, not cuts. Want people with ADHD back to work? Then create work environments that are compatible with those who have ADHD to get the best out of them. Want people with bad mental health and anxiety back to work? Then identify that our mental health support in the UK is absolutely shite and fix it. Want those with long term illness caused by covid back to work? Then stop using methods to manipulate NHS figures and instead fast track treatment for those who need it.
As for job seekers, our job market is in a terrible place right now. We need more jobs and those who are struggling to fill positions need to have pressure put on them to improve the pay and/or work environments up to an acceptable standard and stop relying on the third world to fill those positions.
You cant cut and tax your way to growth, doing so is just continuing the managed decline approach of the Torys.
Looking after homeless people costs taxpayers more than benefit payments. A welfare cut will only increase council taxes as people on benefits thrown out of their homes onto the street will become a burden to local councils. You’ll see beggars outside of your local supermarket, homeless people with nothing to lose committing more crime and anti-social behaviour. Councils will have to pay for more policing, homeless support services (higher council taxes) and we’ll need more money for prisons, emergency support services and the legal system.
Robbing Peter to pay Paul while our quality of life declines.
Andurael on
How will promoting some ‘tough’ guy to the cabinet prevent the Labour rebel MPs from rebelling again?
I’m more interested in the somewhat promotion of Darren Jones, I think he’s an MP with plenty of potential who I hope to see promoted further.
salamanderwolf on
Thank god someone is prepared to do exactly the same as what has been done before because it worked so well last time /s
I guess starmer is trying to be the labour version of nick clegg. Destroying any chance his party has of getting into power for decades. But hey, at least the politics of envy allows people to feel better as the disabled start to kill themselves or drop dead once again while the rich get richer and the politicians do nothing to make your life better.
StarmersReckoning on
What’s interesting here, is Polanski is now a credible ‘outsider’ option on the left. By saying Reform are right we will enact their policies, Labour will haemorrhage their right to Reform and their left to the Greens.
Why on Earth Starmer started his tenure by attacking people in his party and the vulnerable in society I’ll never know. It is like cutting off your leg on the marathon starting line.
You need passionate people to sell your policy. Alienating 25-50% of them immediately is a very stupid leadership decision. One he is paying the price for
Successful_Pay25 on
The definition of disabled needs to be updated in the equality act. There are people on benefits and in the workplace, feigning and/or malingering conditions to avoid work, screwing over genuinely disabled people, and putting more pressure on everyone. I have to manage lots of the twats and undoubtedly i’ll be in an early grave as a result. My workplace is littered with them.
vividpup5535 on
I wish English people weren’t so easily manipulated.
Imagine being against the ECHR and benefits for disabled people and thinking you are right.
They could just, I don’t know, legalise weed to the tune of +1.5B pounds a year?
Saltypeon on
It really shows the surface interest, the faux outrage whenever this topic comes up.
There is a benefit cap in place 22k nationally, that’s the max for not working and qualifying for the highest amount.
The cap is hit by est. 120k households, the majority with children.
So if anyone has the secret to having kids and living “comfortably” on 22k (including rent) please let the 11m working households who are financially struggling know. It could help them immensely.
malccy72 on
Let’s take even more money away from the poor and disabled but protect the rich who pay hardly any tax.
Let’s encourage the country to fight and blame the poorest so they do not look at the real villains.
Divide the masses by hate and blame.
Familiar-Woodpecker5 on
Taxing the rich, big corporations and closing tax evasion loopholes is what they should be doing but no let’s go after the lower class.
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We’ve reach the “kill disabled people” stage of boomernomics whether you like it or not…
What was it, estimated 300,000 excess deaths from Tory welfare cuts?
Starmer clearly feels they went too easy on the poor.
They’re really bleeding the terrible optics of cutting welfare by flip flopping on it so many times.
Didn’t I read the exact same headline first thing this morning but attributed to Farage and Reform?
Doing whatever they can do to balance the book. That’s a government I can support.
He doesn’t look tough to me I could easily have him.
Support this! We are spending too much and it’s bankrupting the country
I work in job where I see how much people on benefits get. Many are pulling in £2k a month. That’s ridiculous.
Good. Currently spending on welfare is unsustainable. There’s not much left to tax so time to cut spending.
OBR predicts benefits are going to increase by 27% between now and 2030.
If it were left to income tax alone to cover this, receipts will have to go up over 30%.
Oh no, someone think of the permanently online working-age-but-unemployed Redditors with anxiety/ADHD having their well earned benefits reduced.
Welfare as it currently stands is totally unsustainable, people can complain all they like but this is better than having 0 welfare when the money completely runs dry, which it will at this rate.
Hahahaha. They couldn’t even take the WFA from people who didn’t need it, so good luck with that. Will believe it when I see it.
Good luck Starmer. He’s about to split the party in half.
Low GDP growth and increases in pensions, debts and health care costs as a % of GDP.
>**How much it will spend** on things like public services, state pensions and debt interest. In 2024-25, we expect it to spend £1,278.6 billion, equivalent to around £45,000 per household or 44.4 per cent of national income.
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[https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/brief-guides-and-explainers/public-finances/](https://obr.uk/forecasts-in-depth/brief-guides-and-explainers/public-finances/)
We have very high energy costs, labour costs and lowish productivity for an advanced economy. We have had 10% productivity growth over the past 18 years. We face competition from China on cost and from the US on its huge investment in things like robots and AI.
If people do not want to grasp these facts then wail about some mythical solution that does not appear in the actual data, we will be headed for middle income nation status. Get competitive or spend the rest of your lives imagining impossible solutions that never arrive.
This haunted ghoul suggested that people should have to pay to access assisted suicide. He also claimed forty grand to rent his constituency home, despite owning the property next door.
It’s no surprise that the far right are going to walk the next election when this is the calibre of the “good guys”.
Is the despicable need to threaten the lives of the disabled least able the hill that Starmer needs to die on?
This is my biggest argument against a wellfare state – it always tends to snowball into a defacto planned economy and you cant roll it back without risking some serious turmoil
Kicking the crutches out from disabled people is such a vote winner in Brexit Britain. Why is performative cruelty so attractive to so many voters?
Haven’t they already tried this? They tried and failed because Labour MPs were worried about losing their seats. So they switched their focus to those who work hard and earn.
Did he forget people died last time there was budget cuts?
It worked so well when the Tory’s done it and it was so easy on Labour just a couple of months ago when they tried to screw disabled people. Anything other than identifying and fixing the issues that have caused so many to end up on welfare in the first place. It is proven that hitting benifit claimants with a stick ends up costing tge tax payer far more in the long term. For instance, 15 years of Tory cuts are costing the NHS £50bn per year.
Solving reliance on benefits will take investment, not cuts. Want people with ADHD back to work? Then create work environments that are compatible with those who have ADHD to get the best out of them. Want people with bad mental health and anxiety back to work? Then identify that our mental health support in the UK is absolutely shite and fix it. Want those with long term illness caused by covid back to work? Then stop using methods to manipulate NHS figures and instead fast track treatment for those who need it.
As for job seekers, our job market is in a terrible place right now. We need more jobs and those who are struggling to fill positions need to have pressure put on them to improve the pay and/or work environments up to an acceptable standard and stop relying on the third world to fill those positions.
You cant cut and tax your way to growth, doing so is just continuing the managed decline approach of the Torys.
Fantastic news, that’ll fix our economy and improve everyone’s lives /s
Looking after homeless people costs taxpayers more than benefit payments. A welfare cut will only increase council taxes as people on benefits thrown out of their homes onto the street will become a burden to local councils. You’ll see beggars outside of your local supermarket, homeless people with nothing to lose committing more crime and anti-social behaviour. Councils will have to pay for more policing, homeless support services (higher council taxes) and we’ll need more money for prisons, emergency support services and the legal system.
Robbing Peter to pay Paul while our quality of life declines.
How will promoting some ‘tough’ guy to the cabinet prevent the Labour rebel MPs from rebelling again?
I’m more interested in the somewhat promotion of Darren Jones, I think he’s an MP with plenty of potential who I hope to see promoted further.
Thank god someone is prepared to do exactly the same as what has been done before because it worked so well last time /s
I guess starmer is trying to be the labour version of nick clegg. Destroying any chance his party has of getting into power for decades. But hey, at least the politics of envy allows people to feel better as the disabled start to kill themselves or drop dead once again while the rich get richer and the politicians do nothing to make your life better.
What’s interesting here, is Polanski is now a credible ‘outsider’ option on the left. By saying Reform are right we will enact their policies, Labour will haemorrhage their right to Reform and their left to the Greens.
Why on Earth Starmer started his tenure by attacking people in his party and the vulnerable in society I’ll never know. It is like cutting off your leg on the marathon starting line.
You need passionate people to sell your policy. Alienating 25-50% of them immediately is a very stupid leadership decision. One he is paying the price for
The definition of disabled needs to be updated in the equality act. There are people on benefits and in the workplace, feigning and/or malingering conditions to avoid work, screwing over genuinely disabled people, and putting more pressure on everyone. I have to manage lots of the twats and undoubtedly i’ll be in an early grave as a result. My workplace is littered with them.
I wish English people weren’t so easily manipulated.
Imagine being against the ECHR and benefits for disabled people and thinking you are right.
They could just, I don’t know, legalise weed to the tune of +1.5B pounds a year?
It really shows the surface interest, the faux outrage whenever this topic comes up.
There is a benefit cap in place 22k nationally, that’s the max for not working and qualifying for the highest amount.
The cap is hit by est. 120k households, the majority with children.
So if anyone has the secret to having kids and living “comfortably” on 22k (including rent) please let the 11m working households who are financially struggling know. It could help them immensely.
Let’s take even more money away from the poor and disabled but protect the rich who pay hardly any tax.
Let’s encourage the country to fight and blame the poorest so they do not look at the real villains.
Divide the masses by hate and blame.
Taxing the rich, big corporations and closing tax evasion loopholes is what they should be doing but no let’s go after the lower class.