Il 57% dei britannici supporta lo schema nazionale per le carte d’identità, ma ha preoccupazioni significative per la sicurezza e l’implementazione dei dati
https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/57-britons-support-national-id-card-scheme-have-significant-concerns-over-data-security-and
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Strange, that 57% doesn’t match online discussions or in real life chats..
Edit – Ah, basically the majority are old people in support lol.
Easy no digital ID’s unless it’s encoded in the smartcard on the physical card itself.
Should be a physical card just like the BRPs were, if people want they can read the contents of the card via NFC and add it as a digital ID to their Apple Wallet app on their phone (or w/e Google has now for that also).
The rest of the process should be just like a passport, the only problem is with the UK having really really poor proof of ID is how you prevent these from being issued fraudulently during the initial rollout.
I am dead set against this either in physical or digital form, I’ve never written to an MP before but if they keep pushing for this that might change.
Do not want live in a “papers please” reality.
If you look at historic British data breaches, it’s not really been ‘major government databases’ – [https://www.upguard.com/blog/biggest-data-breaches-uk](https://www.upguard.com/blog/biggest-data-breaches-uk)
HRMC, HM Passport Office, DVLA .. they’ve got massive databases that are *de facto* national identifiers and no one is especially prudish about applying to use them.
If they have significant concerns about implementation, then they don’t really support it.
“I’d like this burger if it wasn’t burnt to a crisp” means you don’t like the burger.
The issue is the database, same as it was in 2006. I have no problem with a physical card.
It’ll cost over 100 billion to make, and it will be a shit implementation, like the track and trace system
Background – I am 59 and have worked for CS for 37 years (I retire soon), my Dad is 85 and a veteran.
He asked my my thoughts on a National ID card scheme and I said after working for the Govt I wouldnt trust them with anything like this as its not run by HMG , it will be sub – contracted to an outside agency (for profit) and I wouldn`t trust them with anything sensitive personal data.
My Dad said bu we had ID cards when I was in the RAF , to which I replied there were no computers involved (this was 1950s to 1980) so the data was more secure.
Really? 57%? Who did they ask? The Starmer fan club?
I will never understand why people don’t support this. Should we be concerned about security? Of course. In contrast to European countries, we have very few people in government who understand science or will listen to anyone who does and who care more about people than donations from companies such as the ones that would get the ID card contracts.
But if we had these cards and were required to show them to rent a flat or get a job or get the electricity/water switched on, it would immediately make it much harder for immigrants to get housing and jobs. As a result, the UK would be a much less attractive destination for economic migrants.
I don’t believe most people are opposed to the cards. We all know that we already have to prove our identities and hand over personal data to do any number of other things. My point is that it makes no sense we don’t already have them given the importance of immigration to our elections and everything else. So many important issues are being ignored because of the obsession with immigration and ID cards are the most effective solution there is.
They support a fictional version where none of the drawbacks exist.
The problem is It will be another tax you have to pay. Anyone who thinks you can get this for free is just kidding themselves.
Then after that the criminals will just find workarounds and ways to use it to their advantage when scamming people.
Another way of looking at it is that only 19% are opposed to National ID cards.
Physical ID: sure, why not? Other countries get on just fine with them.
Digital ID: nope.
*”Convenience and preventing illegal immigration most popular reasons for support”*
But it doesn’t prevent illegal immigration. Illegal immigration happens when boats come over the water WITHOUT any papers.
This “it will prevent illegal immigration” is just the false propaganda used to promote it. If I was the government I probably would have pushed the “it will prevent terrorism” message as that used to hit harder.
I just don’t see the point its a lot of money for very little if any gain. I also don’t think a human should need to carry something to just go outside so it shouldn’t be mandatory to carry
We have them in Turkey, very useful on a day to day basis. With access to a system on which we can access all govt services, all health services and even travel to some countries without carrying s passport, they become more useful each year.
I support it because currently to prove your ID you need either a driving license or a passport. Not everyone drive or has a passport (which are expensive if you struggle for money and don’t travel abroad). Other countries have got them, and have used them for decade.
The level of protection would be the same than passports or driving licenses, so that is a non issue really.
Too many shops will insist to see the ID, and copy it for criminal purposes
My concern is a privatised health system, Insurance companies, governments, and AI using a QR ID system which builds up lifestyle profiles and using all of that information against us when we have to buy our health insurance.
Isn’t the de facto ID card now the Brit drivers licence?
If it was free and did the job of NI number, NHS number, driving licence and if possible passport, I’d be up for it.
Hell, if you wanted to get really fancy you could tie in the DBS system as well so I don’t have to pay a subscription for that.
I really don’t see why we can’t just use the Driving licence as an ID card, just make it compulsorary and free for every 17 year old (maybe 16 so the schools can be involved in doing all the paperwork). Other Eureopean even have credit card sized passport cards that are essenially valid documents for international travel, within the EU and could use it to visit the UK (until we left), also quite a few non EU countries that were wanting to make it as easy as possible for EU nationals to visit for that sweet tourist euro.
The EU countries with compulsorily ID don’t really care about liberties, it’s basically just the same information as on a driving licence, the vast majority of Brits have either a provisional or a full, and don’t bat an eyelid about civil liberties when the state has all that info about you. Converting driving licences into full ID would be minimally invasive and the infrastructure is already in place. Most Brits already have a form of DL and suppose we need to get another 10% of Brits to get these compulsorary DLs, just hire 10% more staff at the DVLA and let them deal with it all. Boom, ID system with minimal personal liberties invasion and expense.
In principle, I don’t fundamentally have an issue with ID cards.
I have a serious issue with how I believe any government over the last ~15 or so years, and any potential government in waiting for at least the next term would implement them, or what they would require their use for.
I do not want to live in a world where you need to verify your ID every time you access any bit of information so that a profile is built of what you are learning/what beliefs or political viewpoints you may have interest in. For very fucking obvious reasons.
I also don’t want to be in a situation where I forget my wallet in a hotel room, and my only option is to pay for a full fingerprint and eye transplant because the fucking inept government didn’t think their implementation through.
“The poll, which surveyed 1,116 British adults” Automatically invalid.
“Similarly, people would rather police allow people a week to present their ID card on demand, rather than be able to compel someone to produce their card on the spot (39% vs 27%).”
So if made to present ID, people would rather have the faff of taking time out to go to a policr station to present ID, than just show it on the spot and carry on their day?
Ethics and politics and history aside, why not just use passports?
Easier for everyone, most people already have one, foreigners here legitimately have them too, highly secure, etc.
And why not offer it digitally? If I’m stopped I should just give my name and passport number and PC Smith can look me up, check the picture and know I am who I say I am. I understand we already offer exactly that service for immigrants.
“Papers please”? Sorry officer, I didn’t even bring a credit card anymore, it’s all on my phone these days. I can show you a pic of a valid passport?
When did people start liking the idea of compulsory national ID? 10 years ago, it was a reviled idea, understood to be very unpopular.
What changed? I still don’t want it. I actually genuinely think that there has been a sudden influx of comments in the last few days about this, from people who seem happy about it. I wonder if they are real people. Like genuinely wonder, or whether they are paying some shady companies to spread the idea, like China and India are known to do. I mean, we know other governments do this. And UK gov wouldn’t need to use UK citizens to run a message… it is online discussion… They could use a “troll farm” in a third country.
Am I becoming paranoid? As I say, we know many go ornaments use it, and our gov has done plenty worse in its time.
Privacy is dead, I am writing this on a device that knows my exact location, everything about me and has a camera pointing directly at me face as well as a microphone. My ISP has access to everything I have ever looked at online and all those cookies allow every man and their dog to collate data and extrapolate every single thing about me.