Le parti di sinistra si allontanano dai commenti di Catherine Connolly su Hamas
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/left-wing-parties-distance-themselves-from-catherine-connollys-comments-on-hamas/a390948571.html
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Le parti di sinistra si allontanano dai commenti di Catherine Connolly su Hamas
https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/left-wing-parties-distance-themselves-from-catherine-connollys-comments-on-hamas/a390948571.html
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Where is that meme with the bike and stick…. lol
Don’t forget her association with Pro Russia figures like Mike Wallace and Clare Daly. This election choice is awful this year
>Left-wing parties backing Catherine Connolly’s presidential campaign have sought to distance themselves from her comments that terrorist organisation Hamas could have a role in a future Palestinian state.
>Labour Party TD Alan Kelly said he expects Ms Connolly to retract her comments that Hamas is “part of the fabric” of the Palestinian people, and it is up to them who should govern in any future Palestinian state.
>The Social Democrats have refused to back her comments, saying Hamas is a “proscribed terrorist organisation” and any future election “clearly mandates the renunciation of violence”.
>Sinn Féin, which announced at the weekend it would be backing Ms Connolly’s campaign, failed to defend her against sharp criticism from Taoiseach Micheál Martin.
>Speaking from a United Nations summit in New York, where five countries said they would recognise statehood for Palestine, Mr Martin said Hamas broke every humanitarian law and cannot be part of Gaza’s future.
>“There should be unequivocal condemnation of Hamas,” he said.
>“If we are trying to chart a future for the Palestinian state with guarantees for Israel to the future, then Hamas is not that option, because Hamas has consistently refused to recognise the Israeli state, and are vowed and committed to the elimination of the Israeli state.”
She’s such an obviously awful candidate. Mad how they all ignored this.
snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
Its barely been a week since they all endorsed her
Right wing client press going into overdrive to try and prevent a left wing president
She’s goosed isn’t she?
literally not one person in my whole family who I talked to is bothered by those comments or has changed their position. They understand the full context of the comments and agree with her on virtually every other issue.
Not even a bloody week.
Jesus Catherine, please get it the fuck together.
I’m trying to figure out who’s the least worst at this point.
Its not fucking easy.
E: I’ll take someone who’ll just do the job and stay quiet.
How have we ended up with the Orange order the GAA mafia and a tankie. How?
Was what she said untrue?
Connolly blames NATO for Russias invasion calling for peace talks right before the Ukranians counter attack. Now she’s providing a logically basis(not that they need it) for Israel go even further/keep going. She’s a nieve liability.
Looking at the candidates this year, it’s incredible that a chap who did Riverdance would have been a better candidate than most of these clowns.
I know that filling the shoes of Higgins was always going to be impossible, but jesus Christ. What a bunch of muppets we get to choose from.
I said it, last week. Here. She’s not a good fit for the role.
What a ridiculous thing to say as someone vying to represent the people of Ireland.
It blows me away that Labour, SDs or Sinn Féin could not find a better candidate. I feel like this year’s presidential election is a bit of a race to the bottom of the barrel.
She is completely correct though? It’s very likely their influence will diminish in a free palestinian state, but obviously they have been backed as the only legitimate force struggling against israel. Why does solidarity seem to end at actually allowing them to make their own decisions.
Ever since her comments on Ukraine I had her down as a total weirdo.
And just like that, her campaign came to an end.
Irony: the left wing parties finally unite around a common candidate and said candidate ruins it in less than 10 days.
I do find it slightly funny though. Just a little.
Like didn’t some of our “terrorist” group turn into someone all of our original political parties?
Now who do I vote for? Urghhh. Michael d Higgins made it so easy.
Did members of the IRA not have any future roles in the Irish Free State?
FF banging on like this has never happened before..c#nts
Presumably the Israeli terrorist parties of likud etc. will be allowed continue.
No problem with what she said and generally dismayed by the media’s attacks on Catherine. She principled and righteous and will get my number 1.
Not a thing she said was false.
Jesus, r/Ireland is pathetic. HH is far right now also 😂
They’ve been in power for years and at times have been very popular, although some polling before Oct 7 showed at least some of the Palestinian population wanted an alternative. Regardless; her comment was not some outrageous leap, nor was it some huge endorsement. “Part of the fabric” is a bit flower-y but it’s not some lavish compliment, it’s simply a fact and an acknowledgement of the fact that de-coupling them from the issue is not some quick and easy thing – and her broader comments on Starmer were bang on the money.
Not a Connolly voter (currently sitting on my fat arse on election day unless an actual candidate worth a shite pops up before then somehow) but this controversy is totally overblown.
Having read the original article it looked like she spent the last half of it trying to distance herself from her comments. It was a prime example of trying to placate everyone once you’ve made a contentious point.
But obviously I’m not saying this isn’t true. And obviously I’m not saying that isn’t true by saying this isn’t not true. Type of thing.
I’m not a fan of any of the current candidates, but I heard her on RTE Radio this morning and jesus she was poor. I had read somewhere that she was a good speaker and debater, but she was inarticulate and when questioned on her Hamas statement she kept reverting to whataboutery on Israel. I can see why she did it and the pressure must be maintained on Israel, but it didn’t come across well. Then when she was questioned on a United Ireland she again was poor, couldn’t articulate a clear vision. At least I now know that she ran a marathon n Belfast so her cross border understanding is high.
With the Alan Partridge like Jim Gavin starting to implode, it looks like it’ll be an easy win for Heather Humphries. Unless Mammy Steen pulls off a surprise – unlikely but not impossible.
Correct me if I’m wrong because I only briefly watched the video but did she not just say the whatever the future holds for Palestinians should be up to the Palestinians democratically. Like she didn’t say she supports Hamas or anything but just that it’s no one else’s position to decide their position within Palestine.
She’s 100% correct.
Kremlin Connolly stumbling at the first hurdle?
I’m guessing I’m missing a big part of the story because I don’t understand what the issue is with what she said
Twisting words and misrepresenting people
This situation is not going to be easily sorted out if the Israelis and the U.S. don’t realise that:
1: The Palestinian state needs to be self governed.
2: They need to pay for what they have destroyed.
Who thinks they are going to allow either of these things?
Waffle over nothing, straw clutching
Not any fan of her’s , but ffs, UVF is apart of the fabric of Irish society (unfortunately) for example. She was just giving an overview of the actors within Palestinian society. Clarified herself, and its pathetic example of media sound biting over substance, thats the real scandal.
Also reddit, see more people were willing to defend those man children kneecap over Up Hamas and waving the flag, when it was clearly fucking bad. This candidate is getting smeared for saying ‘isnt this thing a thing’
So essentially she said the people should have the right to choose themselves. And that’s what has everyone up in arms? You didn’t read it, or you’re believing a shitty hit piece, but I’m sure majority know that.
Presuming the IDF will have no role in a two state solution either, considering the atrocities they have also committed, along with their commitment to wiping Palestine from the map?
I really wish there was a candidate not from FF/FG who wasn’t a embarrassment. Diplomatically to represent the country I might actually prefer a main party suit over her.
Unless I missed something she just said that future Palestine governments would be decided by elections, and yeah that might end up including members of hamas.
it’s for the Palestinians to decide and noone else.
Much like after the ceasefire here people who were part of conflict were elected to roles. That’s how this works
The IDF is part of the fabric of the Israeli state. Will I get cancelled now too?
Oh fuck off, Hamas is very much part of the fabric because there wasn’t anyone else there to resist the tyranny of israel. How easy it is to feign some sort of indignation when it’s free. Oppression breeds resistance and the resistance is Hamas and anyone who takes part in hurting a violent colonial settler regime is alright in my book.
Irish people didn’t gain freedom from the cruelty of Britain by songs and poetry.
This is a stupid take by MM. It’s like saying IRA was not in the fabric of NI life for Catholics during the troubles and the GFA negotiations.
Hamas or any future named organisation is in the fabric of that society. I don’t see how they wouldn’t be…like they could easily just rebrand themselves and get in that way.
This is a nothing story and I’m wanna add that hamas are an evil organisation and don’t deserve to be in any future government and should be tried for war crimes. But we all know from Irish history, repressing and killing family members in population does not breed non violence in the civilians.
Honestly can’t keep Miggle for another few years? Until we have a better list of candidates
I find her such a frustrating figure, she said more in the interview that was better phrased but this was very badly put together. If you have a badly thought position on a hot button topic like the situation in Gaza, that you are going to be asked questions in an interview on the day of the launch of your campaign, journalists will do what they do when you say something like.
This reeks of a badly prepared campaign position or an unwillingness to temper her personal beliefs even other left wing figures finds her position problematic. None of which is appealing to me as voter. I dislike all the candidates on offer but she is one that I dislike the most.
Ignoring the same 4-5 people on here who insist on exclusively speaking in bad faith, I can understand why her comments might have seemed shocking in a headline to some.
But if you think about it for a second, nothing she said is bad at all – of course all parties in a conflict must be involved with the resolution of that conflict.
Imagine if the UK or US had told people in Northern Ireland that they could have their own democratic parliament but Sinn Féin (as the political arm of the IRA) was banned from participating.
You don’t have to condone Hamas (and Catherine Connolly has repeatedly condemned them and their actions) to understand that they need to be part of any future peace – same way that Sinn Féin was in Northern Ireland.
I’d understand this type of simplistic reactionary outrage in Britain, but I’m sad to see some of it here, considering our complex post-conflict history as an island.
Whether people like it or not, she isn’t wrong.
The history of colonised people is that the states they create are heavily influenced by the violent groups that rose up in the fight for their freedom. This happens the world over – yet people constantly pretend to be scandalised and surprised by it.
I mean what do we expect? If you don’t want groups like Hamas, then don’t colonise, institute apartheid, and commit genocide against native populations. Of course unsavoury actors will emerge in response to this, and of they won’t sinply disappear when the colonised people eventually do achieve their own statehood.
People just love taking her comments out of context. Really it’s not up to the zionist Starmer to tell Palestine what to do anymore than the Israeli’s. It’ll be up to the Palestinian’s to decide if there’s any of them left to do so.