La Gran Bretagna è preparata a lasciare che la Germania si unisca al programma di jet da combattimento di prossima generazione
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/09/27/britain-prepared-let-germany-join-next-gen-fighter-jet/
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La Gran Bretagna è preparata a lasciare che la Germania si unisca al programma di jet da combattimento di prossima generazione
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2025/09/27/britain-prepared-let-germany-join-next-gen-fighter-jet/
di gt94sss2
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>However, they did not rule out Berlin joining GCAP as a buyer and having an input into certain aspects of the aircraft, including the drone platforms that are expected to accompany it.
The relevant part. Germany is welcomed to join as a **buyer** not as an industrial partner. At this point, Germany is better off partnering with Sweden to build some kind of 6th gen plane if retaining industrial knowhow is important to them.
Good riddance! Let the British deal with this partner who is so uncooperative, so unwilling, and never keeps their agreements.
EDIT : Rather Rather than stupidly downvoting me, give me your arguments.
Here are mine.
The partnerships with Germany are “complicated.” They have not kept their agreements on:
* Tranche 3 of the Tiger modernization
* The MAWS project (for US purchases)
* They are in the process of squelching the MGCS project, where they are the leader, because now Rhinemetall wants the whole cake
In the SCAF project, they have constantly questioned Dassault’s leadership on the SCAF pillar, which was included in the agreement. This is despite Airbus being the leader on the other two pillars. They unilaterally introduced Spain as a partner, which allows them to claim a larger share from Airbus Defense.
Otherwise, French manufacturers manage to cooperate very well:
* FREMM frigate project with Italy
* MBDA activities (Aster, Meteor, Scalp) with Great Britain
* SAMP/T system with Italy
So rather than reacting in a Pavlovian manner, with “the French this,” “France that,” give me some arms production cooperation projects with Germany where cooperation has been good. No need to give me examples of licensed American arms production. I’m talking about European cooperation.
For my part, the conclusion is simple: first, the Germans always want a bigger piece of the pie, and second, they are still too subservient to the United States.
This sort of confirms some of the the rumours going around that there are problems with work share between Germany and France when it comes to FCAS.
Visions of Eurofighter all over again!
It seems like nobody want Germany as a development partner…. I wonder why
It’s strange how Spain is nearly never mentionned like 1 or 2 times in this whole thing, even spanish media reported the same thing.
I hope this happens (Germany as a production partner). Volume is important. Adding a large number of guaranteed buys is valuable. Although Germany can’t have any veto rights on sales, no split of the development workshare for already agreed aspects and no changing the design.
> Defence industry sources said a decision would ultimately fall to the governments involved, adding the scope for a German role in development was narrow because of the advanced stage of the project.
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> However, they did not rule out Berlin joining GCAP as a buyer and having an input into certain aspects of the aircraft, including the drone platforms that are expected to accompany it.
I think that’s about what people have been expecting really. Still hope FCAS succeeds though, it’d be better for everyone.
It sure would be nice if both countries were in the same trading bloc. Maybe something where both countries could ship goods across each other’s borders freely. Man, that sure would be nice.
The UK still suffers from a post imperialist hangover. I don’t really trust them when push comes to shove they will act in the interest of Europe as a whole and their leaving if the EU is a prime example of this.
I hope Germany will partner with EU only countries to make a their own 6th gen fighter.
We also need to stop thinking in individual components for our European defense but instead build platforms that we can build and integrate future innovations on.
We need our own command and control.
Step up your game Europe! We need to become 100% self reliant militarily in order to not be bullied around geopolitically.
Our advantage is we don’t really have a very huge legacy to integrate, I think we can pretty much optimize everything with current technological advancements. What we lack is our dependants on components from outside the EU. Chips are a big Achilles heel for Europe now. Strange to realize as we have the most advance chip machines in the world with ASML.
There is a reason why we didn’t invite Germany to design this aircraft, lessons have been learnt after working with them on Tornado and Typhoon.
As a buyer, they are more than welcome. They shouldn’t be anything more than that though, we don’t want a repeat of FCAS.
Germany, Italy and Japan is getting the gang back together but now with UK.
While good from a defence standpoint it’s not good that the main EU country can’t cooperate with the other main EU country and have to buy from brexit country.
Germany should abandon the f126 and buy type26 asw ships and build those at NVL in germany.
This should be enough for britain to let germany join as a complete partner and maybe deny them a veto in export questions.
Traitors, again. I hope they get along fine between people who don’t respect deals.
Time for France to find new friends… i mean partners, who are reliable and don’t try to würst them up.
France know how to make everything well and they have more military experience than anyone else in EU and in Europe except for Ukraine and UK.
Unfortunately the government does its best to make people with money leave the country, sabotaging economy with retard theories ( in fact ideologies) and no global vision.
EU is completely out of touch with reality and don’t understand what is current at stake in the world, and there are no real leaders anywhere
Britain is prepared to let Germany join the Tempest next-generation fighter aircraft project amid a bust-up with France over a rival European effort, industry sources say.
The Global Combat Air Programme (GCAP) currently involves the UK, Japan and Italy – but speculation is now swirling that Germany could join as well.Defence industry sources said a decision would ultimately fall to the governments involved, adding the scope for a German role in development was narrow because of the advanced stage of the project.
However, they did not rule out Berlin joining GCAP as a buyer and having an input into certain aspects of the aircraft, including the drone platforms that are expected to accompany it.
Getting Germany on board with GCAP would be a coup for Britain and its partners and would further improve the economics of the programme.
For now, Berlin has said its current preference is to remain part of the rival scheme known as Systeme de Combat Aerien du Futur (SCAF) which it has pursued jointly with France and Spain.
However, significant tensions are bubbling under the surface with German officials and Airbus, which represents German industry in the project, reportedly exasperated with French defence giant Dassault Aviation over its demands for a contract renegotiation.
Dassault, which makes the hugely successful Rafale fighter jet, is said to be demanding more control over the programme and a bigger share of the work due to its aviation expertise.
Airbus has insisted it will not reopen the deal. Behind the scenes, Berlin has begun examining alternative options including potential partnerships with Britain or Sweden, according to the news website Politico.
Last week, French executives dared Berlin to walk away.“The Germans can complain, but here we know how to do this,” Eric Trappier, the boss of Dassault, said on Tuesday. “If they want to act on their own, let them do so.”Eric Trappier, who has served as chief executive of Dassault since 2013, dared Berlin to walk away from SCAF Industry sources said the main concern with German involvement in GCAP would be the risk of delays.
At the moment, the three partner countries are racing to sign final contracts this year after concluding tough negotiations to hash out the division of work between themselves.Reopening those talks is not seen as attractive and could put the project’s already-tight timelines at risk. Tokyo in particular is seeking a tarmac-ready aircraft that can be deployed from 2035.
The three countries are also working towards a demonstrator jet in 2027.
A spokesman for the Ministry of Defence would not be drawn on potential German participation but reiterated the UK’s commitment to GCAP and the scheme’s focus on “interoperability” with allies.
The programme, originally conceived as Tempest in Britain, brings together the next-generation fighter programmes of the UK, Italy and Japan and aims to create a stealthy, supersonic jet that will act as a “platform of platforms” coordinating drones, missiles, battlefield communications and intelligence-gathering.
The Boss of Dassault illustrate very well the problem. The politics want to give a primary place to their industry and technological transfer from him.
The French want to be closser to the german and ready to sacrifice him. He just remind all that he know how to make military plane since 70 years and can continue alone. It was the same problem for the Rafale who’s qualities speak for himself.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZHxRTg_n2c&t=957s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZHxRTg_n2c&t=957s)