This is where the culture wars are always going to end up. Completely unworkable black and white rulings that just cost people time and money. Is this really such a big issue private businesses need to fork out millions of pounds for it.
LunarKurai on
I can’t imagine why. I mean, they’re only telling every employee that they have to be the toilet police and guess who’s supposed to go where based on stereotypical gender norms that don’t even correspond to reality and being threatened to be sued if they don’t and possibly open to being sued if they *do*, and also relying on things like birth certificates that nobody carries anywhere, that can also be amended anyway, or for documents like GRCs that they’re not supposed to ask for.
What’s so unworkable about that?
FcukTheTories on
If I were prime minister I’d subvert free speech to ban anyone from spending another minute discussing this absolute non-issue ever again.
Pmabbz on
I’m failing to see what’s unworkable and where the costs are coming from. The toilets and private spaces already exist. The rulings and guidance simply state which one people should use. As for requesting birth certificates or proof of biological sex, that sounds like a measure that would only come into play if there’s a dispute about someone breaking those rules. It’s never going to be that someone is stood policing the entrance. Its for cases where a trans woman goes into a woman’s toilet and its suspected that they are in fact a man. And even this wouldn’t end up in showing proof unless it was a setting they attend regularly like a place of work. In most cases a setting would just need to politely ask them to use other facilities.
Ohgodhelpmepleaseeee on
It’s getting dangerous to be openly trans in this country
TheLyam on
Can we stop appeasing those who want to spread hate.
CalicoCatRobot on
FFS, there have literally been so few incidents that might require this change (and mostly with non genuine offenders who claim to be trans after being caught, but would likely be offenders regardless), that it would be simpler and more efficient to bring an individual law naming each person that might pose a real risk, and ban them from female toilets, than to go through this performative nonsense,
But that doesn’t bring in the money from US evangelical think tanks, so here we are.
DesignerElectrical23 on
There’s loads of bars, restaurants and cafes that have cubicles with a sink. Mixed use. Go in, lock the door, do you business and leave.
Everyone has bodily functions. It doesn’t have to be complicated.
TheCharalampos on
With a lot of these culture war stuff, the vibes not facts stuff, they tend to be absolute nonsense.
I’d say they were useless if their use wasn’t to sow division in society and distract from actual issues. They are preety effective at that.
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goonercaIIum on
Every business should be able to afford a gender neutral / disabled toilet this is a non story
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squirrelbo1 on
As somebody working through this quagmire it’s entirely unworkable.
ddmf on
We should have just forced terfs / farts to use the disabled toilets and made sure their radar keys were slightly keyed differently so they could never gain access – the bigoted hateful sacks of empty skin that they are.
MirkwoodWanderer1 on
I’d be curious if people would be open to treating trans people who have had surgery differently to those who just identify with other sex?
Ver_Void on
This whole ruling still seems ridiculous to me. What exactly did the court think the point of a grc was if not to change someone’s legal sex? Or the fact that to get one people were expected to do things like use the bathroom of their gender…..
Astriania on
It’s designed to be unworkable imo so trans people don’t feel able to do normal adult stuff.
There are some legitimate points about highly masculine trans women in female spaces, especially with the new interpretation of the EA. But toilets were never a problem.
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This is where the culture wars are always going to end up. Completely unworkable black and white rulings that just cost people time and money. Is this really such a big issue private businesses need to fork out millions of pounds for it.
I can’t imagine why. I mean, they’re only telling every employee that they have to be the toilet police and guess who’s supposed to go where based on stereotypical gender norms that don’t even correspond to reality and being threatened to be sued if they don’t and possibly open to being sued if they *do*, and also relying on things like birth certificates that nobody carries anywhere, that can also be amended anyway, or for documents like GRCs that they’re not supposed to ask for.
What’s so unworkable about that?
If I were prime minister I’d subvert free speech to ban anyone from spending another minute discussing this absolute non-issue ever again.
I’m failing to see what’s unworkable and where the costs are coming from. The toilets and private spaces already exist. The rulings and guidance simply state which one people should use. As for requesting birth certificates or proof of biological sex, that sounds like a measure that would only come into play if there’s a dispute about someone breaking those rules. It’s never going to be that someone is stood policing the entrance. Its for cases where a trans woman goes into a woman’s toilet and its suspected that they are in fact a man. And even this wouldn’t end up in showing proof unless it was a setting they attend regularly like a place of work. In most cases a setting would just need to politely ask them to use other facilities.
It’s getting dangerous to be openly trans in this country
Can we stop appeasing those who want to spread hate.
FFS, there have literally been so few incidents that might require this change (and mostly with non genuine offenders who claim to be trans after being caught, but would likely be offenders regardless), that it would be simpler and more efficient to bring an individual law naming each person that might pose a real risk, and ban them from female toilets, than to go through this performative nonsense,
But that doesn’t bring in the money from US evangelical think tanks, so here we are.
There’s loads of bars, restaurants and cafes that have cubicles with a sink. Mixed use. Go in, lock the door, do you business and leave.
Everyone has bodily functions. It doesn’t have to be complicated.
With a lot of these culture war stuff, the vibes not facts stuff, they tend to be absolute nonsense.
I’d say they were useless if their use wasn’t to sow division in society and distract from actual issues. They are preety effective at that.
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Every business should be able to afford a gender neutral / disabled toilet this is a non story
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As somebody working through this quagmire it’s entirely unworkable.
We should have just forced terfs / farts to use the disabled toilets and made sure their radar keys were slightly keyed differently so they could never gain access – the bigoted hateful sacks of empty skin that they are.
I’d be curious if people would be open to treating trans people who have had surgery differently to those who just identify with other sex?
This whole ruling still seems ridiculous to me. What exactly did the court think the point of a grc was if not to change someone’s legal sex? Or the fact that to get one people were expected to do things like use the bathroom of their gender…..
It’s designed to be unworkable imo so trans people don’t feel able to do normal adult stuff.
There are some legitimate points about highly masculine trans women in female spaces, especially with the new interpretation of the EA. But toilets were never a problem.