Catherine Connolly lo ha menzionato molto ieri sera: cos’è esattamente un complesso industriale militare?
https://www.thejournal.ie/what-is-a-military-industrial-complex-6830911-Sep2025/
di SeanB2003
Catherine Connolly lo ha menzionato molto ieri sera: cos’è esattamente un complesso industriale militare?
https://www.thejournal.ie/what-is-a-military-industrial-complex-6830911-Sep2025/
di SeanB2003
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All the US arms manufacturers combined have a smaller total value than P&G
Ireland’s Military Industrial Complex: the lads who make hurleys and also the lads who add dodgy weight to boxing gloves.
On the one hand I really appreciate The Journals fact-checking “hold on a second here lads” articles – they’re usually an attempt to calmly and rationally describe something that may not be fully understood or pinpoint the root of a rumour to attempt to de-facebook it. This one though…not quite hitting the spot. Feels like he slapped up a bunch of Wikipedia points without going into context, subtext or relevance.
They’ll talk about the military industrial complex in the west and criticise but when Russia does it they’ll ignore it or they’ll prob cheer for it.
When arms sales and arms manufacturing becomes economically lucrative in countries, the incentive for these countries is to encourage wars and drawn out conflicts on the political stage and sell a lot of weapons.
The Market Cap of Europe’s defense companies have jumped in the last 3/4 years. Saab, Dassault Aviation, Leonardo, Rheinmetall
I wonder if Catherine can think of might have prompted that? The coming of the Fourth Reich maybe
But there’s no profit in peace boy , we’ve got to fight some more .
When the US agrees to give 5 billion to Ukraine, or 6 billion to Israel, they are not actually giving the leaders of these countries money, they give the American tax payer money to US weapons manufacturers (govt cronies) who then supply weapons to these countries. It’s a very profitable enterprise for the cronies. But it requires constant war to make sure the money keeps flowing in that direction.
It’s a meme for the hard left
It sounds big and scary and is coming for your children.
I’ll assume she made this comment in the context of Russia rearming under Putin’s command economy and invading Ukraine.
I’ve got some proxy wars to sell you.
Its a cancer on humankind
Companies profiting from war. I mean she’s not wrong. But it’ll fly over most people’s heads.
She’s a right old twat, going on about this nonsense while her Kremlin handlers are busy invading a European country 1313 days into their their Three day war
I agree with Catherine, if I stick my head in the sand and ignore all the nuances of Eastern Europe having an aggressive neighbour like Russia, and an unreliable ally like the US.
She isn’t wrong, there are plenty of people all too happy to profit from human suffering, which is depressing. Unfortunately, if Europe doesn’t rearm then it is at the mercy of Russia’s aggression and the USA’s ‘generosity’
Europe rearming is a necessary evil nobody wants it and the struggle will be more on the other side of the conflict than right now when nobody sees the point of spending on the military again. That’s when we invent new enemies and that’s the step we have to worry about not right now
It’s incredible that someone so disconnected from reality of a modern day fascist regime promising to rebuild its European empire and now four years into their colonial invasion of yet another one of it’s neighbours running for president here AND blaming other European countries for wanting to defend against Nazis for some reason
It’s the argument of a niave fool. Where would Ukraine be without these weapons? They’d be in peace under a Russian boot. Is that what she wants?
It’s a term that came from Eisenhower’s farewell address. He was a US Republican, a President and a General. Not a lefty by any measure.
He felt it was a necessity but a danger. In an early draft of his speech he called it the military-congressional-industrial complex. There’s a lot of money and jobs in building weapons. That’s attractive to elected leaders, but it’s kind of like empty calories. In another speech he said this:
“Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its labourers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children.”
So again, not a lefty, but he clearly stated the choices. Yes, it’s important to protect from dangerous people who start horrific wars. But we should spend only what is needed to do so and challenge every euro.
I think it’s important to have a voice in Europe to do that.
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/president-dwight-d-eisenhowers-farewell-address
She is a tankie and her world view was formed in the 1970s. She does not understand current geopolitical reality. A bit like Jeremy Corbyn.
Ok the guy in the thumbnail is Dwight Eisenhower president of the USA and former supreme commander in Europe in their military.
When he was leading their war effort in WW2 the USA was spending about 33% of their GDP on military spending. This was 33% of the total value of everything they produced in a year. A truly eyewatering figure and completely unsustainable.
When he made his military industrial complex farewell speech the USA was spending about 10% of their GDP of their military. Again a huge sum of money.
The USA is currently spending <3% of GDP on the military and despite the rhetoric it is trending downwards and looks set to continue to do so. This is a large sum of money but nowhere near the levels of spending that Eisenhower was warning about.
The military industrial complex is really some sort of far left boogieman with little basis in fact. The real issue is we and Europe are not spending enough when the USA is stepping back from it’s world policeman role.
I wonder does Catherine have any concerns about our geopolitical adversaries arming to the teeth?
Billion dollars arms companies have their say, be it literal lobbying in the USA or throwing their weight around as large high tech employers with government contracts
It’s even said they were the ones who had JFK shot for planning to cancel the war in Vietnam
Look at the share price of Lockheed Martin from 7th October 2023. That’ll explain the crux of it.
Did some nutter call the MIC a conspiracy theory?