Apparantly September has seen a 6% success rate of interceptions in regards to the Iskander-M and the Khinzal ballistic missiles after some sort of upgrade that the systems received. This is down from 37% in July despite decreasing Russian launches.
PearOfThighs on
Yikes, only 6%? Really puts into perspective how tech advancements in warfare are like an endless arms race where no one truly wins. We gotta push for stronger international arms agreements, or this will just keep escalating. 😬
DisdudeWoW on
theyre ballistic missiles, russia said anything publicly about new iskandar and kinzhal variants, software improvements would be enough to decrease effectiveness against the limited number of ukrainian batteries, now im skeptical on the statements that are given by the us officials you dont just “program steeper maneuverability” into terminal stages of a TBM, and given the rest of the article rather than a signficant increase in kinzhal and iskandar effectiveness it seems likely that ukraine simply doesnt have enough patriot batteries and interceptors to deal with the threats at hand.
Any-Original-6113 on
So, the Russians have found a way to improve their cheapest missiles in order to hit their targets, right? How much more advanced are the air defense systems in Europe than those in Ukraine?
Hughsey1 on
Ballistic missiles are unfortunately very hard to intercept so I am not surprised. Lasers will be in the future the answer.
IMMoond on
6% of *attempted* intercepts or 6% of all missiles entering Ukraine? There is a very large difference between those two and while the article doesn’t state which it is, I’m very much guessing the latter.
The reason it’s such a big difference is simple: if Russia launches a ballistic missile at a target that isn’t defended by a patriot, the intercept chance is 0%. If Russia launched 20 missiles and only one was at Kyiv, a 100% successful interception rate would lead to a 5% shoot down rate, which sounds horrible, but isn’t.
This is the fog of war, we get some numbers but 0 context to interpret those numbers. Maybe Russia really adapted and managed to hit 94% of their targets while dodging PAC-3s. Maybe Russia didn’t change anything but the targets their aiming for. Maybe Russia managed to make the missiles dodge but in doing so, made them less able to hit their intended targets. Who knows? We sure as hell don’t from the article
djquu on
Patriot stonks get wrecked
Tenocticatl on
This leaves a lot of questions on the table. Like, did Ukraine intercept 6% of missiles, or 6% of the missiles they tried to intercept? Given how thinly spread Ukrainian air defences have become, that’s a significant difference.
On the other hand, presumably the Russian missiles have been changed to either be faster or more maneuverable when they’re coming down, because that’s what would make them harder to intercept. Now I’d assume (as the armchair analyst that I am) that there’d be a trade-off to yield or accuracy or weight or cost (or all of those), but the article doesn’t list any of that and I guess it’d be hard to tell anyway. With Russia basically just making up its economy at this point, who knows what the relative costs are. Since they’re fired from the ground because they don’t want to risk their remaining planes, I guess the weight doesn’t matter. Since they’re being shot at cities as terror weapons, yield and accuracy don’t matter that much either.
Of course, how good Russian missiles are wouldn’t matter if Ukraine could blow them up while they’re still on the ground, so I’d recommend we help them do that.
KGrahnn on
Ballistic missiles are countered by shooting ballistic missiles back at them.
nariofthewind on
This post is based on a filo-russian source. I highly doubt they are what they say, even say it’s ukrainian. When you say Moldova is rulled by poeple who opress pro russian oposition, it’s pretty clear where you came from. This user is spamming same questionable source over and over again, more or less a trust me bro.
Warjilla on
Kill the archer not the arrow.
H2Nut on
It must be off the advanced circuitry in the new generation washing machines the Chinese companies are producing
Edexote on
People that keep thinking russians are stupid need to get their brains checked. That’s why Ukraine needs all the help we can give them, and more.
Leonarr on
Oh no, this will negatively affect the share price of the American weapon manufacturer!
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Time to upgrade the Patriots.
Patriots are overpriced anyhow
The best air defense has always been an attack on the enemy launch infrastructure. Let Ukraine hit them…
This source is questionable at best. Got any other known good sources to corroborate the claim?
EDIT:
So I did check the claim and found other sources corroborating this. [including the Kyiv Independent.](https://kyivindependent.com/russia-modifies-missiles-to-evade-ukraines-patriots/)
Apparantly September has seen a 6% success rate of interceptions in regards to the Iskander-M and the Khinzal ballistic missiles after some sort of upgrade that the systems received. This is down from 37% in July despite decreasing Russian launches.
Yikes, only 6%? Really puts into perspective how tech advancements in warfare are like an endless arms race where no one truly wins. We gotta push for stronger international arms agreements, or this will just keep escalating. 😬
theyre ballistic missiles, russia said anything publicly about new iskandar and kinzhal variants, software improvements would be enough to decrease effectiveness against the limited number of ukrainian batteries, now im skeptical on the statements that are given by the us officials you dont just “program steeper maneuverability” into terminal stages of a TBM, and given the rest of the article rather than a signficant increase in kinzhal and iskandar effectiveness it seems likely that ukraine simply doesnt have enough patriot batteries and interceptors to deal with the threats at hand.
So, the Russians have found a way to improve their cheapest missiles in order to hit their targets, right? How much more advanced are the air defense systems in Europe than those in Ukraine?
Ballistic missiles are unfortunately very hard to intercept so I am not surprised. Lasers will be in the future the answer.
6% of *attempted* intercepts or 6% of all missiles entering Ukraine? There is a very large difference between those two and while the article doesn’t state which it is, I’m very much guessing the latter.
The reason it’s such a big difference is simple: if Russia launches a ballistic missile at a target that isn’t defended by a patriot, the intercept chance is 0%. If Russia launched 20 missiles and only one was at Kyiv, a 100% successful interception rate would lead to a 5% shoot down rate, which sounds horrible, but isn’t.
This is the fog of war, we get some numbers but 0 context to interpret those numbers. Maybe Russia really adapted and managed to hit 94% of their targets while dodging PAC-3s. Maybe Russia didn’t change anything but the targets their aiming for. Maybe Russia managed to make the missiles dodge but in doing so, made them less able to hit their intended targets. Who knows? We sure as hell don’t from the article
Patriot stonks get wrecked
This leaves a lot of questions on the table. Like, did Ukraine intercept 6% of missiles, or 6% of the missiles they tried to intercept? Given how thinly spread Ukrainian air defences have become, that’s a significant difference.
On the other hand, presumably the Russian missiles have been changed to either be faster or more maneuverable when they’re coming down, because that’s what would make them harder to intercept. Now I’d assume (as the armchair analyst that I am) that there’d be a trade-off to yield or accuracy or weight or cost (or all of those), but the article doesn’t list any of that and I guess it’d be hard to tell anyway. With Russia basically just making up its economy at this point, who knows what the relative costs are. Since they’re fired from the ground because they don’t want to risk their remaining planes, I guess the weight doesn’t matter. Since they’re being shot at cities as terror weapons, yield and accuracy don’t matter that much either.
Of course, how good Russian missiles are wouldn’t matter if Ukraine could blow them up while they’re still on the ground, so I’d recommend we help them do that.
Ballistic missiles are countered by shooting ballistic missiles back at them.
This post is based on a filo-russian source. I highly doubt they are what they say, even say it’s ukrainian. When you say Moldova is rulled by poeple who opress pro russian oposition, it’s pretty clear where you came from. This user is spamming same questionable source over and over again, more or less a trust me bro.
Kill the archer not the arrow.
It must be off the advanced circuitry in the new generation washing machines the Chinese companies are producing
People that keep thinking russians are stupid need to get their brains checked. That’s why Ukraine needs all the help we can give them, and more.
Oh no, this will negatively affect the share price of the American weapon manufacturer!