L’uscita del Regno Unito da Echr ‘rimuoverà le basi dell’accordo del Venerdì Santo
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/05/uk-exit-from-echr-would-remove-foundations-of-good-friday-agreement
di nimobo
L’uscita del Regno Unito da Echr ‘rimuoverà le basi dell’accordo del Venerdì Santo
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/05/uk-exit-from-echr-would-remove-foundations-of-good-friday-agreement
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Wont be convincing or stop any party like reform. The average voter does not care about northern ireland unless/until sectarian violence happens that impacts england and wales
THis has already been debunked by various legal experts.
I’m sure its possible for the Good Friday agreement to work without UK being in the ECHR. A sensible ECHR exit would see the same laws copied into British law and then tweaked in as small a way as possible to prevent the excessive misinterpretations of the laws as have been used to block the deportation of various criminals. Ireland may object, but I think we are now way beyond interfering with each other’s laws.
I can’t sign up for a nectar card without somehow endangering the good friday agreement these days.
I don’t particularly want to leave the ECHR either but find a new scare tactic. This one’s stale.
good friday agreement loves being a thorn in the rights arse
This is the legal position.
Leaving ECHR does not automatically void the agreement, but it would be a breach of an international treaty and subject to challenge.
The agreement has some international guarantors. The UK, Ireland, the EU and the USA. Each of them agree to guarantee the agreement.
Therefore leaving ECHR puts all four in a horrible position.
Assuming the EU and Ireland stack up to hold the UK liable for the breach what does the USA do, as technically the treaty is in breach but hasn’t been found so legally “yet”?
The UK is already spending international capital and credit by taking this action. Will the USA also do that?
The consequences could impact on all EU and US trade treaties and negotiations. Putting aside any legal finding against the UK in terms of the Vienna accords and the breach.
Can the UK ever be trusted again to sign a treaty? Impact on UK bond prices? Inflation?
So…anyone who proposes leaving ECHR has to answer the following.
Is doing this really going to be worth if for what we want to achieve….”stopping the boats”?
There’s already a huge amount of slack left in the system that neither Labour or the Tories exploited. For example, the announcement this week that families of asylum seekers will no longer have an automatic right to come just because their relative was granted asylum. I have no idea why this wasn’t the case before as it is hugely lenient compared to other countries and removing it doesn’t breach ECHR.
It’s all basically political grandstanding. Even Farage would have the harsh realities staring him in the face as PM, and would probably find a way to re-write history to avoid leaving.
I half expect a British Trump to suggest sorting out this by taking back Ireland …
In 2030 when Farage throws the people screaming for this in prison after a protest over having to pay to see their GP. If I hear “what about my human rights” I do wonder if I’ll be able to handle the irony.
I mean, yeah, it’s a dumb idea.
But instead of being negative about it, we should be pushing for changes to the way it’s interpreted to address the piss-taking, especially around deportation cases. You won’t convince anyone just by telling them that their idea is bad, you need to provide a different and better way to address their problem.
And while sometimes it’s correct to tell them why it isn’t a problem in the first place, I don’t think that’s true here. Lawyers *are* using the ECHR, especially Article 8, to prevent the deportation of people that everyone can see are taking the piss out of the UK and shouldn’t be here. That needs to be stopped, and if you don’t want people to vote to leave the treaty entirely, you need to stop it in a better way.
The foundation of the Good Friday agreement was pardoning all the terrorists, those foundations _should_ be removed and justice served on them
We should just stay in the ECHR and ignore it like all the other countries do. Simple.
Can’t wait for Farage to become an Irish Republican. As he says himself, up the ra
We have wasted an enormous amount of political time and energy dealing with the lead up to Brexit, and now having to adjust everything post Brexit. All that diplomatic & political time that should have been spent on dealing with foreign threats, and our own political and social system. Brexit was a huge mistake that was sold on lies and half truths.
The last thing the country needs is to have to go through the whole process of dealing with removing ourselves from the ECHR, for nothing that we couldn’t deal with under our own legal system.
The people advocating for it don’t care. They know we’re in the age when there are more votes in making other people’s lives worse than in making your own better.
Does Reform care for the Irish at all? Wouldn’t be suprised if not.
That trite again? The writer of Good Friday Agreement specifically wrote in one Times article the other day that GFW had nothing to do with ECHR. One would have thought the author of the paper knew better than some Guardian commentator. I clicked the link again and found it was the meddling Irish tosser.
Only a clueless cunt would vote for any party promising some utopia should we leave the ECHR.
Foundations can be replaced, there is no specific reference to the ECHR
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/jack-straw-leaving-echr-wont-affect-good-friday-agreement-zrbtzxkv5
Nor could leaving ECHR mitigate irregular migrant issue. For that we need returning to Dublin III, or something similar to the same effect.